he's been too pessimistic on stocks joining us now to talk markets from a technical perspective, katie stocktonounder and managing partner and a cnbc contributor you definitely get cut more slack, katie, because you're a trend follower and a technical analyst. as far as mike wilson, he's still -- i mean, 4,200 -- we're at 45 and change, but if you were him and you had been -- if your bearish case was 3,000, which he was still talking about on the s&p, maybe his average was 34 or 3,500 and his bullish case was 3,800 you've got to say, "i was wrong. so we'll start at 4,200. so when he finally changes it to 4,900, it won't look so crazy. you can't go from 3,200 to 4,900. >> right the revision is appropriate, it seems, just based on where we've come from. >> based on him keeping his job and his career and being able to say, i have value in what my forecasts are. >> i think mike's great. i have to say, so, when we see breakout os cur, it allows us to ratchet those support levels higher and creates a new normal for the market now for the s&p 500, with the breakout that we saw back in may, the new sup