former deputy chief of staff katy walsh is quote dollars as saying that mr.mp's leadership style is like trying to figure out what a child wants. >> the book reportedly claims that the president's long time friend thomas bear rack described him to another friend this way. he's not only crazy, he's stupid. both walsh and bear rack deny they said those quotes that we mentioned. author michael wolf writes that mr. trump never expected or wanted to win the election. and most everyone in his campaign agreed he probably shouldn't be president. listen to this passage about the moment they realized victory was at hand. there was in the space of little more than an hour and steve bannon's not unamused observation a befuddled trump morphing into a disbelieving trump and then into a horrified trump. but still to come was the final transformation suddenly. donald trump became a man who believed that he deserved to be and was fully capable of being the president of the united states. all right. let's bring back the panel for more lively discussion. jack, starting with you

white house deputy chief of staff katie walsh painted the trump white house as totally aimless in her comments to wolf who wrote, quote, trump observed walsh, had a set of beliefs and impulses, much of them on his mind for many years. some of them fairly contradictory, and little of them fitting legislative or political conventions or form. hence, she and everyone else was translating a set of desires and urges into a program. a process that required a lot of guess work. it was, said walsh, quote, like trying to figure out what a child wants. and this about jared kushner. in early march walsh confronted him and demanded just give me the three things the president wants to focus on, the three priorities of this white house. yes, said kushner, wholly without an answer. we should probably have that conversation. you think? and this morning mike allen is reported michael wolf has tapes to back up quotes in his book. dozens of hours of them. among the sources he reportedly taped are steve bannon and katie walsh. >> yeah. john, this was an ongoing concern of people inside the white house, e

i am very comfortable with how i reported what katy walsh said and, by the way, i don't say katy walshing out and, in fact, saying she did not say this. i think she says steve bannon, she was quoting steve bannon or something like that. but i will -- and i uh will go further, there is not one person in lows proximity to the president in the west wing who has not used the term that he is like a child. sometimes it's an 11-year-old, sometimes a 6-year-old, sometimes a 2-year-old. always, he is viewed as a child because he is someone who needs immediate and absolute gratification when, where and when he wants it, now. >> woodruff: you mentioned steve bannon, central figure in the book, somebody you talked to a lot here. he did issue a statement over the weekend, pushback, especially -- or drew back the comments you said he made about the president's son, don, jr. why would he do that if he's somebody you -- >> well, i mean, first of all, he didn't. he didn't say anything that i quoted as saying was untrue or even misquoted. what he does try to do in a very try angulated apology in which h

katie walsh is saying she's misquoted. are they all lying?> they are all -- i mean, they're in a situation where -- in a situation now where donald trump has come to think that this book is a mortal threat. i don't know if it is or it doesn't. but he certainly feels that way, and he's making demands on everybody. i know, i hear through the grapevine that katie walsh's job is at issue now, and -- which i regret. and even then, she's not really saying that i misquoted her. she's saying that she was quoting something like she was quoting steve bannon who said he's a child. everybody says he's a child, in fact. so we're having -- people are scrambling and they are panicked, which i absolutely understand. nobody saw this book coming, nobody saw that it would be as big as it seems to be. and everybody is a deer caught in the headlights. you have tapes, are you going to release the tapes? >> no, i'm going to work like every journalist. >> if people are questioning it, why not produce the evidence? because that's not what -- i'm not in your business,

so two people have denied katy walsh, berrick as well saying he was stupid our had to treat him like a kid. but no one has come out saying these on the record statements aren't true about the line he read about the constitution and him basically falling asleep. if everything else is true, is this someone fit to be president, fit to be in the white house? >> he's absolutely fit to be president. and based on a hearsay book, even though josh is a distinguished author, and we need to read his book -- >> but he said he's heard a lot of things first hand that you hear in the book. >> someone that was involved in the campaign, during the dark hours, the access hollywood, the gloria aldridge parade, i say that seriously, not in a flippant way, what amazed me every time i went to new york and went to the tower is that everybody there was always optimistic. and i'm not spinning that at all. i was in the room and i talked to kellyanne conway and cnn's own jason miller and bryan lanza. they were always upbeat. dave bossy, the same way the president, the candidate himself. you look at it because

katie walsh a former deputy white house chief of staff said that she was misquoted. tom barrack, a good friend of donald trump jr. said he was misquoted. natal natalia said she never saw or met the candidate, trump, at the trump tower which is a key because it goes against the big take aways saying that it was treasonous to have that meeting. she has denied that. there's a grain of salt that a lot of people are urging people to take when reading this book. i think we're already seeing some of those lines crack. we're definitely seeing the president's legal team push back on this as well. >> let's talk about how michael wolf went about writing this book and how he used his sources. he does say today that he has dozens of hours of tapes to back up his book. it seems like bannon and former deputy chief of staff katie walsh, as you were just mentioning, julia, are on those tapes, but there's also a question of the credibility of the book which everyone's wondering. in the author's note, i always check out the author's note, i find it really helps you have a clear idea ho

i hear through the grapevine that katie walsh's job is at issue now. which i regret. >> reference there to katie walsh, former deputy white house chief of staff, job at rnc is as michael said, reportedly in jeopardy. quoted allegedly saying that trump is just like a child. also a new report, trump's official schedule is shrinking rapidedly because demanding more tv and twitter time at home. trump aides are fighting. he's spending more time watching news and tweeting about it ahead of this potential interview with bob mueller. >> mr. president, if robert mueller asks you to come speak with his committee personally, are you committed still to doing that? >> just so you understand, there's been no collusion, no crime. >> trump is also no stranger to these kind of legal proceedings, involved in over 4,000 lawsuits, accused of discrimination, cheating contractors. also said he's comfortable with litigation. >> does anybody know more about litigation than trump? i know a lot. i'm like a phd in litigation. >> it within a jd, not ph.d. but who is keeping track

now we called katie walsh and she referred us to what she cold jonathan swan from "axios" was that shethe things attributed to her. and the passage does jive with how sam nunberg described his mind. he was sent to the constitution and i got to the fourth amendment before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back into his head. does that -- >> that is very understated. >> there has been a lot out about how the president doesn't read and how he processes information. so it's not really -- >> look, that first of all -- i think nunberg is on the record on that anecdote, in some fashion. so that doesn't seem completely out of line. i think that there are several areas where there is something that is accurate but the facts are not quite right. he got -- and i hate to take it back to this, just standing on my head, he got minor things -- shots at other media outlets, he got basic details wrong about stories. about things. and i worked with a lot of journalists early in my career who would talk about dealing in larger truths. the actual details do matter if you are g

the idea that katie walsh called him a baby. we chronicled that every saturday morning here. the fact that the president sometimes acts like an idiot. we chronicle idiocy every saturday morning. he's firing back. these tweets don't really lend to his credibility or give us the impression that he is mentally stable. >> what about what politico reported this week, zerlina, that dr. lee, a yale professor, that president trump will unravel and we are seeing the signs. according to this report, those who met with dr. lee were all democrats. there was one gop senator in the bunch. how much of this is about an effort to remove the president from office, to talk about the 25th amendment? >> i think that's where this conversation is going. i think we have tip-toed around this issue every year. we analyze his crazy tweets and behavior throughout the past week. we are all concerned in terms of the national security threat it poses. it's not that, you know, democrats or people who don't like the president are saying that these crazy tweets, you know, warrant the 25th amendment just becau

katy walsh said it was like trying to figure out what a child wants. he alleges wolf had significant interactions and the cbs white house team has seen him frequently. a lot of people are wondering how in the world this happened under this happened. the white house staff will no longer be able to use their personal phones in the west wing. norah? >> all right. thank you. cbs news correspondent and white house correspondent and host of "face the nation" john dickerson. let's start with that news. a crackdown inside the white house led by chief of staff john kelly as the press secretary putting out a statement that the security and integrity of the technology system at the white house is paramount. no more personal devices for anybody, guests or staff. >> well, it is like sort of closing the barn door after the horse is out of the barn. the book is out. sort of pre-john kelly white house will be a source of discussion for weeks, and also, you know, you can try to crack down. anybody with teenagers knows this. you can try to crack down, but people who wan

katie walsh is quoted extensively. ms. sanders: she has also put out a statement denying the quotes attributed to her. reporter: is there any action being taken by the white house against these individuals, and is there outreach to verify whether they made the statements or not? that thereeports will be implications for her. ms. sanders: i'm not aware of any specific action being taken. i know she has said the quotes were not attributed to her, as have many other people that have been quoted in this book. reporter: so you take them at their word and there will not be implications? ms. sanders: absolutely, particularly people like secretary mnuchin, who has pushed back on this, and several others. you also have to look at this author's track record, in which he has had a real problem with this in the past, and i think that is something that is the foundation for us to make these assumptions that definitely, this is a practice that he is used to doing. reporter: legal action against any of those individuals? ms. sanders: not

. >> reporter: katie walsh, former trump white house deputy chief of staff was also quoted by the authorsaying that six weeks into the term, kushner still could not name the administration's top three priorities. "working with the president," she said, "was like trying to figure out what a child wants." walsh later denied that remark. >> i absolutely spoke to the president. th reporter: sanders said the author, michael wolff, only had limited access to mr. trump, a claim wolff disputed this morning. >> i mean, i've spent about three hours with the president over the course of the campaign and in the white house. >> reporter: in a tweet today, the president called that book phony, said it was full of lies, and implied that wolff has made a career out of inventing stories. jeff. >> glor: margaret brennan, thank you very much. the f.b.i. is once again investigating a charity the president often brings up, the clinton foundation. here's justice correspondent jeff pegues. >> this program has created more d momore opportunities. >> reporter: cbs news has learned in recent weeks f.b.i. agents h

katie walsh thought the white house was incompetently run.ecretary steve mnuchin and reince priebus believe trump to be an idiot. the top economic adviser says trump is dumb as curse word. and h.r. mcmaster considers him a dope. we know from our own reporting last year, whether you want to say f-ing moron or moron, those were the words of rex tillerson. rick, i can talk to anthony scaramucci all day and he can say, look at the beautiful stock market. stock market doesn't matter to the people in the white house. how do they go back to work the next day and into their morning meeting and look mr. president in the eye when he knows full well they called him a flaming jackass? >> look, a lot of the leaks come from the president himself. >> there you go. >> he talks to people, you know, loosely and doesn't -- so you can get all that information. i mean, first thing, they're going to take their cell phons s away. it was funny. >> take them away. the president has been a leaker for decades. >> of course. look, you live by the tabloid media and die b

katie walsh, who worked for this white house, was quoted on the record extensively. ms. sanders: she has also put out a statement denying the quotes attributed to her. reporter: is there any action being taken by the white house against these individuals, outreach to these individuals who are quoted to verify whether in fact they made these statements are not? there are reports that she is , there are implications for her, potentially being pushed out of groups that support the president from the outside. ms. sanders: i'm not aware of any specific action being taken. i know she has said the quotes were not attributed to her, as have many other people that have been quoted in this book. reporter: there will be implications -- ms. sanders: absolutely, particularly people like secretary mnuchin, who has pushed back on this, and several others. you also have to look at this author's track record, in which he has had a real problem with this in the past, and i think that is something that is the foundation for us to make these make the assumption that this is definitely this

and saying this about katie walsh allegedly had of the president. he didn't read. he didn't really even skim. some believed that for all practical purposes he was no more than semi-literate. it was, said, walsh, like trying to figure out what a child wants. walsh denies making these remarks but it is similar to an article published in this. i got as far as the fourth amendment before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head. the white house vehemently denying the accounts saying the book is filled with false and misleading accounts from individuals who have no access or influence with the white house. the president holds several meetings today, none of which are spbgted to be open to the media for the third straight day. the low profile believed to be over anger with the russia investigation. chris and alisyn, back to you. >> joe, thank you very much. let's discuss all of this. joining is us now are cnn political analysts, john avlon and gregory. there is so much intrigue, it's hard to know where to start. let's start with ban

according to wolf's book and many of this has been push back on by the way former deputy chief of staff katie walsh thought the white house was incompetently run. treasury secretary steve mnuchin and former chief of staff reince priebus believe trump to be an idiot. gary cohn the president's top economic advisor regards trump as, quote, dumb and the president's top national security advisor h.r. mcmaster considers him, according to this book to be quote a dope. well, of course all of this thrilled the lefty cable nitwits and bitter never trumpers. >> some of the more salacious entries, the fact that donald trump doesn't read. well, you know, we told you that a year and a half ago. the assessment is all consistent of the closest to the president working with him as being essentially a child. >> he is a child. he has got no attention span. he reads nothing. >> it's even worse than it seems. this is an idiot surrounded by clowns. >> the behavior, the disposition of the president. they say he is acting like a child. >> the horrible choice you have to make is do i stay here and work with this child who

wolff saying this about katie walsh allegedly have of the president. he didn't read. he didn't really even skim. some believed that for all practical purposes he was no more than semi-literate. it was, said, walsh, like trying to figure out what a child wants. walsh denies making these remarks but it is similar to an article published in "new york" magazine from sam nunberg who said this about trump's attention span. i got as far as the fourth amendment before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head. the white house vehemently denying the accounts saying the book is filled with false and misleading accounts from individuals who have no access or influence with the white house. >> reporter: the president has several meetings with republicans scheduled for today. anger over the russia investigation likely an explanation for the president's low profile this week. chris and alisyn? >> his twitter feed is all about everything but this book this morning. that's obviously a signal that he knows we'll be talking about it and with good r

know jared kushner was one of the people who did speak to him at least briefly, reince priebus, katie walshudget director mick mulvaney. a lot of people said they had different reasons to speak to him. some of it to correct, people had been criticizing them to wolff so they wanted to correct that other people said it was a brief conversation, some said i talked to him but about a different topic, it wasn't about the book. i heard different explanations. >> jennifer jacobs, who covers the white house and does it very well for bloomberg news, thank you so much for joining us tonight, jennifer. >> you're welcome. >>> another break for us. when we come back, what happened 20 years ago that changed the presidency and the news business. >>> tonight the attention again is squarely on the news out of washington. the worsening scandal that has quickly enveloped the clinton white house and threatened the president's second term in office. today even more graphic and salacious allegations came to light and there is increasing activity at the white house tonight as a result as the trouble for this pres

katie walsh said some of these things on the record. that seems like it is significant, regardless of what else there is that might not be true. like, for example, this idea that donald trump did not know who john boehner -- >> donald trump absolutely would no who john boehner was unless he misheard somebody or trying to diminish john boehner by pretending he didn't know him, which a lot of politicians will do at times. absolutely. a lot of this is on the record. apparently there are tapes of these things. this isn't made up -- and by the way, part of the problem for the president is how much of this stuff is believable whether or not it's true. that is to say, the idea that white house aides when he leaves the room are rolling their eyes and saying, you know, he's not competent to hold the job. that's believable because we had so much other reporting independently from that of those sorts of reactions. of course, secretary of state rex tillerson and our colleagues here at nbc and calling the president a moron earlier this year. >> jona

one of the sources for the book is katie walsh who served as the white house deputy chief of staff in the first couple of months of the trump white house. here's how michael wol off delivers her view of the commander in chief. he didn't process information in any conventional sense. he didn't read. he didn't really even skim. some believed that for all practical purposes he was no more than semiliterate. he trusted his own expertise no matter how irrelevant and confident but he was just as often paralyzed less a salve saint than putting and dangerous insecurities whose response was to lash out and behave as if his gut however confused was, in fact, in some clear and forceful way telling him what to do. it was said walsh like trying to figure out what a child wants. joining us now, john heilman, analyst for nbc news and jonathan capehart from "the washington post" and also with us, ron klain, former chief of staff to joe biden, al gore, former senior aide to president obama. jon heilman, you have good sources in trump world during the campaign. is what you're reading in michael wolff's

katie walsh misquoted. are they lying? >> they are all lying. >> you have tapes. will you released tapes? >> aye have what every journalist, i work like every journalist. i have tapes, notes. >> if people are questioning it, why not produce the evidence? >> because that's not what -- i'm not in your business. my evidence is the book. read the book. if it makes sense to you, if it strikes a chord, rings true, it is true. >> catch my entire interview on my twitter feed or msnbc.com and watch at 2:00 p.m. every day on msnbc. you don't have to even change the channel. more "mtp daily" in 60 seconds. small plates, with big flavor- like yucatan shrimp covered in chili-lime butter and caramelized pineapple. and if you like hot, buttery maine lobster, get your hands on this petite red lobster roll. for new entrees, explore globally-inspired dishes like dragon shrimp with a spicy soy-ginger sauce. with so many new dishes and all the classics you crave, what are you waiting for? come taste what's new at red lobster. >>> welcome back. let's fwling tonigbring in toni. princet

katie walsh who worked for this white house was quoted. >> also put out a statement against that. >>s there outreach to the individuals quoted to verify whether they made these statements or not? reports there will be implications of her being pushed out of groups to support the president from the outside? >> i'm not aware of in i specific action being taken. i know she has come out and said the quotes were not attributed to her, as many other people that this has been quoted in this book. >> take them out their word and there won't be implications? >> absolutely. particularly people like secretary mnuchin who has pushed back on this and several others. i think you have to look also at this author's track record in which he's had a real problem with this in the past. and i think that that is something that is certainly laid a foundation for us to make the assumption that he is definitely, this is a practice that he is used to doing. >> and no further legal action against any of those individuals? >> not that i'm aware of at this time. kevin? >> sarah, thanks. just a couple. i just wa

know jared kushner was one of the people who did speak to him at least briefly, reince priebus, katie walshkellyanne conway, the budget director mick mulvaney. a lot of people said they had different reasons to speak to him. some of it to correct, people had been criticizing them to wolff so they wanted to correct that other people said it was a brief conversation, some said i talked to him but about a different topic, it wasn't about the book. i heard different explanations. >> jennifer jacobs, who covers the white house and does it very well for bloomberg news, thank you so much for joining us tonight, jennifer. >> you're welcome. >>> another break for us. when we come back, what happened 20 years ago that changed the presidency and the news business. at's the height of mount everest. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home... even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl's orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with

and an adviser to a pro trump super pac, katie walsh, a former white house official, made a similar arguments she tries to have it both ways on moore. >> the allegations against, you know, judge moore are deeply troubling. and i believe he should step aside if there is any truth to them at all. but the reality is, kellyanne is right, that we need the votes to pass tax reform. and so where the president is on this believe and sarah sanders has been vocal on this, which is it's up to the people of alabama. i think, you know, they'll make decisions in a couple weeks here. >> seth: so there position is literally "roy moore should step aside, but if he doesn't, you should vote for him." that's going to make their pro moore tv ads very awkward. >> who is roy moore? the "new york times" says four more women have accused roy moore of misconduct. and the "the new yorker" reports moore was banned from the gadsden mall. and more than 20 republicans have called for roy moore to step aside. but if he doesn't, you should vote for him anyway so we can give corporations a giant tax cut! roy moore. he should

katie walsh saying she's misquoted. are they all lying? >> they are lying. i mean, they are all -- you know, they're in a situation. in a situation now where donald trump has come to think that this book is a mortal threat. i don't know if it is or it isn't, but he certainly feels that way, and he is making demands on everybody. >> for more i bring in bob cutner founder,ed torecoeditor. and let me play a little clip here. >> i think that he thought when he told me these things that roy moore was going to win in alabama. and if roy moore won in alabama that would mean steve bannon won and donald trump lost, and steve bannon would be holding a banner into 2018, and i think with that background, he was willing to break with the president. >> bob, does that make sense to you? >> yeah, it does. the thing to appreciate about bannon is that very much like trump he's bombastic, narcissistic. he's reckless. and he's also a b.s. artist, and he's capable of saying almost anything, and when he gets very full of himself, he's capable of saying very unflattering things ab

katy walsh -- >> she put out a statement denying those quotes are attributed to her. >> is there any kind of action being taken by the white house against any of these individuals? is there outreach to the individuals who were quoted to verify whether in fact they made these statements or not? there are these reports there are going to be perhaps implications for her potentially being pushed out of groups that would help support the president from the outside. >> i'm to the aware of any specific action being taken. i do know she has come out said the quotes were not attributed to her as have many other people that this has been, that they have been quoted in this book. reporter: take them at their word won't be implications? >> absolutely. particularly people like secretary mnuchin who pushed back on this and self others. you have to look also at this author's track record in which he has had a real problem with this in the past. i think that that is something that is certainly laid a foundation for to us make the assumption that he is definitely, this is a practice that he used to d

. >> you know, as amazing as the steve bannon stuff is in his book, katie walsh who was the deputy chief of staff, very much an establishment figure, not a larger than life figure like steve bannon, this very serious person, is so scathing about the president. we'll see whether these people go back on their quotes or say they are misquoted. but the way they portray the president of the united states, imcompetent, nearly illiterate. someone who doesn't read anything. >> didn't want to go past the fourth amendment. >> goes to bed at 6:30 with a cheeseburger. has odd ideas. >> the toothbrush. >> that's why he strips his own bed. all very -- >> yeah, you know what, i as a book author i am so jealous of michael wolf, god, but you know what, hats off to him. you know what, he got the access and wrote the book. as long as it stands up to the criticism, now we'll see if it can can factually refuted, but if it can't be, wow, it's pretty amazing. >> what about the words steve bannon uses in the grd and piece, referring to this trump tower meeting june of 2016, we know manafort, jared kushner, russ

some of them, rupert murdoch, katie walsh, the treasury secretary, the secretary of state rex tillersonf of staff, if 50% of those said he was stupid, thatis if 50% of those said he was stupid, that is a problem. those are his closest allies. i cannot underscore how unusual this is. someone covering the fifth president of my career, i have covered presidents who described as the smartest person in the room, asking the sharpest questions, it is very, very unusual to have a white house west wing team and a cabinet going one, two, three, questioning the president's intelligent and curiosity. it is one thing for your enemies to describe you in very low terms, but this is pa rt you in very low terms, but this is part of what is really, really unusual about this book. alexis simendinger, thank you forjoining us. simendinger, thank you forjoining us. that is one thing that is interesting about the book. if this was a book that said the white house was a book that said the white house was organised and calm, that the president was a good manager of the white house and informed about the process

we've seen some quotes attributed to katie walsh, one of the political advisers, already cause some discussion inside the white house about her role. she denies saying those sorts of things. i think this kind of debate about what was really said was wolff taking things and spinning them, are they totally accurate? this is going to be a deliberate that continues and has real cost for a white house trying to stabilize itself. >> where's the burden of proof? tim, if michael wolff ends up having hours and hours of tapes, whether or not they were authorized, i mean, the president is simply saying this book is filled with lies. >> well, the one thing that is indisputable here is that steve bannon has not disavowed any of the quotes attributed to him. all of the other sort of shenanigans inside that book, whether all of them are correctly reported, michael wolff's methods, are all an issue. but one of the larger things going on here and why it rings true is that this confirms a lot of the reporting that institutions like "the washington post" and nbc and "the new york times" and bloomberg have been d

are a number of senior staffers just in that excerpt alone who are quoted on the record including katie walsh who was the deputy chief of staff of the white house for the first few months of the administration. so it's just not true to say that this is all sort of fiction made up by sources who don't have any access to this white house. >> no doubt about that. i'm just looking at another quote from page 16 of this book saying, quoting sam mumrick who used to work for donald trump, was on the campaign early on but has been for quite some time a close associate of onld trump talking about how he was trying to explain the constitution to donald trump. he said, "i got as far as the fourth amendment before his finger is pulling down on his lip and his eyes are rolling back in his head." wolff also talks about why people in the real estate business don't generally get into politics or get into a position of extreme power like the president of the united states, because real estate often depends on government favor and is a preferred exchange currency for problem cash money laundering. ken, listen,

katie walsh says i'm not quoted accurately but steve bannon is not.rom the house. president was classy and didn't say anything. now the president is firing back. he said steve bannon has nothing to do with me or my presidency. when he was fired he not only lost his job he lost his mind. steve was a staff who worked for me after i had already won the nomination by defeating 17 candidates. steve doesn't represent my base. is he only in it for himself. brian: mercers big financiers of president trump and big backer of steve bannon have made their choice. the mercers have cut off steve bannon. they will not finance any of his efforts or support any of the steve bannon candidates like roy moore. and the question is what does steve bannon get out of disparaging a president in a way in which all his critics do? i kept asking myself this last night. what does he get out of this? ainsley: well, we know what the author gets out of it, a lot of books are going to be sold. brian: it will be a best seller. steve: it is number one on amazon. doesn't come out until

katie walsh, a former white house advisor who disputed a comment distributed to her by wolff wed he was trying to figure out what a child wants. paul berry says his reliability, michael wolff, has been challenged before over quotes descriptions and general accounts he's provided to several magazine columns and in several books and even acknowledged that he can be unreliable and in "burn rate" his best-selling book, wolff kept his bankers at bay by fabricating about his father's heart. how many grievous lies have i told you and how many moral lapses have i committed and allen into, like any financial k -- conniver, i was in a short term mode. and he added, even wolff's anecdote of trump being unaware who john boehner was last year seemed a business suspect, the reason, he had tweeted about him multiple times since 2011 and in 2015 he tweeted the wacky glenn beck who cries worse than boehner thinks sadly of me because i refuse to do his show, a real nut job. leroy in maryland, democrat line. caller: from day one all the people who mr. trump put in certain jobs like jeff sessions betsy rac

not the only figure quoted in that "new york magazine" piece, katie walsh, former deputy chief of staffe at the white house also quoted in that piece saying that managing president trump was something like managing a child because of the chaos and confusion of the early days of the trump administration the white house will tell you that organizationally that chaos has declined since general john kelly became the chief of staff here at the white house a few months ago but this is a very revealing look inside the early days of the trump white house is being disputed by some in the media sphere because some of the anecdotes are coming under fire for their apparent accuracy or lack thereof but the white house hitting back here as hard as i've ever seen a white house hit back this is an astonishing statement by the president. >> yeah, i think the word scorching was accurate that you used at the beginning. the other thing that's changed d dramatically since steve bannon left is the number of leaks which suggests they were all standing at a circle like guns drawn like a firing squad dramatical

that may be more on the record than others, i forget her name, i don't know if she can stay >> katie walsh >> she might already be gone >> consider this, i know you think in nuances i needled a couple of my friends that are on a certain side of the aisle, they hated bannon always hated him more. they think he's like a sociopath that will take a white supremacist -- they're in a weird position of hating him so much they almost had to defend tru trump. i'm like this is a weird dynamic. the enemy of my enemy. i'm like you will have to end up on trump side. then i look at the fallout trump looks bad when you read all this stuff but bannon is the one that the mercers are like, whoa, this guy is radioactive breitbart talking about they're bored, supposedly saying we want to distance ourselves from this. bannon almost conjured up sympathy for trump in a warped way. he almost looks like he will end up getting the short end of the stick more than trump does on this >> that's all right. axios is reporting that steve bannon may be oust the from breitbart over this. my topic yesterday was the monsters

. >> including bannon and former white house deputy chief of staff, katie walsh telling mike allen heours of tapes that's how you do a book put it on tape >> yeah. >> and, by the way, michael wolff himself when axios reached out to him pointed to the lawsuit that the trump lawyers bringing against bannon -- >> if everything i was saying was being recorded, i would be nervous. >> you're on air now >> if they didn't believe what bannon was saying was real, would be suing wolff you only sue wolff if you can figure out bannon or someone else didn't say was they said. >> there's a lot of people talking. >> i should urge my children to go to law school basically there's lots of work out there >> ai will really hurt the legal field. it's a longer conversation >> okay. >>> thank you for joining us today. when we come back, it has been a tough year for orange growers. the florida season disrupted by disease and hurricane irma, now growers are bracing for frigid weather. we will get a live report from the sunshine state after this. >>> right now, as we head to break a look at the s&p 500 winner

katie walsh, this is steve ban open, mike mcmaster, gary cohn saying things forward.ly up for the job? >> absolutely not. this president is unbelievably qualified. he got elected because he is incredibly smart. he is well educated, he is well read. that -- it's the misnomer of the left and the leftist mainstream media in this country that he is not. he is an incredible human being, he is a warm, kind human being. something that -- look, i'm not here to sell my book but in our booklet trump be trump, we talked about those sides of president trump, and i urge people to go out and read, you know, the real firsthand account about him. ainsley: all right. folks at home can get both books and make their own comparisons; right? steve: fair and balanced, apparently. brian: boss will be bossy. ainsley: thank you, david. let's hand it over to jillian who has some headlines for us and you can get her book as well. >> good morning, guys. let's start off with these headlines. thanks to the luck of the draw, the republicans keep control of the virginia statehouse and name the two c

and then i remember it was katie walsh, the deputy chief of staff who told me, she said to kushner, you anything, you're die mopposed t everything. how do you think you would have gotten along? >> who was the original contact for you to get you into the white house? >> beyond trump himself who was completely sure, sure, i mean, it seemed like he didn't care that much. sure, that's fine, but then it was bannon and kellyanne conway. >> and you have hours and hours of people on tape? >> i do. yes. i hesitate. there's suddenly will you release the tapes? >> did you tell them they were being taped? >> of course, yeah. i mean, it was right on the table. >> this is not a facetious question now, and i'm sure you won't take it as such given what's in the book. the compelling narrative of this book, you can't put it down the narrative is so compelling. was steve bannon at any point drunk during your conversations with him? >> not to my knowledge, and in at least one instance when offered a drink, he pushed it away. >> so the question, the next question is why did he say everything that he said? i