but i agree with katon. don't think we'll be in a lot of disagreement in this segment because it is important for these candidates to go out and to talk to real people and to listen to what their concerns are and that they can also talk directly to these folks and get their message out. how many times have we heard people, carol, say, oh, i remember when i met president kennedy on the line and it changed my life. it's a life changing experience for many of these folks who never get to be in the same room let alone in the same city or in the same rope line with a lot of these candidates and i do think it makes a difference. >> yeah, but now that each campaign they're sending hecklers out to these campaign events and really how helpful is that to deciding if you want to meet the guy or not or take some of his message home, katon? >> well, that's campaigning in elections. it's what we do. it's the visual whether it's with romney or pinocchio with the president. at the end of the day these guys have a message to