back with me, katon dawson, jennifer ruben. i think i ask you this question all the time.e version of t has a 17% approval rating. 17%. 62% of americans oppose it. in the latest quinnipiac poll. the idea of cutting medicaid is only approved by 30%. 65% of americans oppose cutting medicaid funding. and the last one, when asked who is responsible for the future problems with obamacare, trump and the gop, 63%. obama and the democrats, 26%. why, oh why, katon dawson, having seen with your own two eyes the disastrous effect of trying to pass universal health care, give people health care, the effect it had on democrats, that you guys benefited from, having seen that happen to democrats, why is your party try to take 23 million people's health care away? why do they think that's good politics? >> i'm not sure they think it's good politics. >> why are they doing it? >> history seems to repeat itself. i've said, and joy, we've had this discussion. whichever party is going to own this policy of health care is going to own the defeats that come with it. because several things happen

why, oh why, katon dawson, having seen with your own two eyes the problem of trying to give people healthyou guys benefitted from, having seen that happen to democrats, why is your party trying to take 23 million people's health care away? why do they think that's good politics? >> i'm not sure they think it's good politics. >> why are they doing it? >> history seems to repeat itself. i've said, and joy, we've had this discussion. whichever party is going to own this policy of health care is going to own the defeats that come with it. there are several things that happen. people want cheap health care. they want the ability to pick their own doctor. they want all the sound bites there. this is a big, big problem for the political party who is going to own it. and the democrats handed it right to us. nancy pelosi right to us, harry reid. we didn't get to read that one, either. so the consequences are we promised in the election -- >> you almost made it, katon. there were months of hearings, months of hearings, all summer was hearing. remember the summit? remember the obamacare summer? kato