katrina browne joins us from washington, d.c. and still with us, m.i.t. essor craig wilder, author of the new book i'm a "ebony & ivy: race, slavery and the troubled history of america's universities." katrina, take us from there. you discover, though you say you knew, some kind of primal secret, what your family, how significant the dewolfs were enslaved trading -- in slave trading. >> in our family case, it is a bit of a stand-in for the region of a whole because i heard things as a child but i didn't allow them to sink in because it is basically cognitive for white northerners to say we don't have any relation to slavery, because i think we are all raised and educated in our schools to believe the south were the bad guys in the north were the heroes. it was hard to comprehend and shocking to discover as i dug more into it. and because of this larger, untold story of the north's role, i decided to produce a documentary. a sickly i invited relatives to join me on a journey to retrace the triangle trade -- a sickly, i invited relatives to join me on a jour

he writes, kathleen sebelius is the obama care rollout, what fema director michael brown was to hurricane katrina response. he goes on to note that brown was gone two weeks after the storm where sebelius looks to be in a place for grim duration of the effort to right healthcare.gov. and i want to play what former white house chief of staff bill daly said this morning on "cbs this morning." let's play it. >> some people are calling for her to be fired. to me, that's like firing captain smith on the titanic after it hit the iceberg. it's not going to do much right now. i think they've got to get it fixed. they've got to get it straightened out. then there's a question, obviously, whether there need to be new leadership at that department, not only with the secretary but other things going forward. >> again, reiterating what we said earlier, these contractors at the hearing said that they believe these problems will be fixed and those who are able to enroll, start the enrollment january 1st will be able to do so. but that does not leave this lingering issue of kathleen sebelius and what's to happen

with michael brown during katrina heck of a job brownie. that became a bumper sticker.seby. they crucified- >> -- that was ideological play. that didn't do anything with competence. the sebelius brownie contrast now that is perfect because that is exactly what that was about. you had -- but, president bush firmly believed that brown his guy didn't screw up. president obama believes that sebelius didn't screw up here. >> well, i think you pegged it though. this is about really not just obama care, right? it's not even about a web site. this is about liberalism and these ideas that were promised to us to create jobs and the world was going to come together in a coca cola moment in perfect harmony and everyone is going to love obama. america was going to be better. people are going to see lollipops on bushes and there is going it to be beautiful candy for everyone 24/7. none of that happened, okay? the country is in big trouble. the middle class is hurting. anxiety in the electorate. obama care is just the tip of the iceberg. >> i'm just wondering if that anxiety in the el

. >> just like katrina, when the big problem that president bush had was diminishing the significance of what was happening, way to go brownou had the president yesterday talking about glitches and kinks. >> katrina was a storm. >> conan said the other night obama is urging americans having trouble with the website to call a 1-800 number, 1-800, we didn't think this through. >> the rollout of obama care is nothing short of a debacle. we all know the website doesn't work. >> it's another day and a new glitch for the obama care rollout. >> nothing works. nothing at all. we have no solutions. it's terrible, the world is terrible. how many of these critics do you think have firsthand experience when it comes to rolling out a business? this is coming from the party that did everything in their power to sabotage this law from the get-go. republicans refuse to authorize requests from the obama administration for additional funding to do it the right way. republican governors across the country have chosen to opt out of medicaid expansion which will leave millions of poor americans uninsured. republicans shut the government down a

katrina i remember covering this one. it struck the coastline in 2005 causing $108 billion in property damage and the third deadliest hurricane on record. >>> switching to sports. buffalo takes on cleveland. the browns are hungry for a third consecutive win and tied for the ravens for first in their division. benjamin with the unstoppable punt return for a touchdown. late in the fourth brown's ward with pick six healing victory, 37-24. >>> st. clair hospital in pittsburgh decked out babies in pirates swag. how cute is that including bandanas and bats. head of game one national division, carlos beltran blasted incredible 443 foot three-run homer in the third. he is tied with babe ruth for 15 postseason home runs. both are in eighth place overall. cardinals 9-1. dodgers easily handled the braves winning 6-1. seriously swirly shenanigans during opening of the legends cup. he adopted a twirl that popped up when a rainstorm rolled through dublin, ohio. later tiger woods, he seems a little uninterested when his girlfriend olympic skier places something on his shoulder then warms up to it all. this is a lucky play. you're in a high school game in iowa. the quarterback attempting a two-point conversion, fin

even michael brown knew to resign from fema after he bofrped the federal government's handling of the katrinae don't know if brownie really resign offed his own accord or was pushed out by president obama, but at least he vanished and that's not a bad idea for sebelius to mull over or act on it. i don't know if cgi group that powered the website knew what it was doing when it set up this ridiculous excuse for an interface between the government and its people. they want to blame verizon for a big portion of the failure. sebelius was implying that verizon's hosting abilities were less than stellar. verizon was thrown right under the bus. well done. i can can tell you how i would have understand thatteled this task and made the president proud. instead of giving the republicans all of the ammo they need to wipeout the program in 2014. it's ironic that this whole thing will fall apart on its own darn weight and we don't need to protest. i think they probably hear us. first, if i were in charge i wouldn't have given this contract to a canadian -- canadian information technology company. why not g