mark shields and i saw it on livwee tv, wre appalled. when we see what's happening with the kids that literally reminds me of katrina, and it niouldn't be hap in this country, it's abhorrent. but with katrina, we've seen a big lift in the president's approval rating. there's slight decline in the president's approval lating last week. to me the tribal warfare h become so rigid it's almost as if nothing can movye anthing. while we see images which should be horrific of anybody of any political persuasion, it doesn't seem to move politics. i think that's right. the place where i want to push i this -- and it's not about the politics, b's about the false choice we are being offered. what the trump adminion said is we have two choices, one is we can treat families c unimaginabuelly by separating them from their children or detaining the whole familynor as long as they t to, or we cannot enforce our laws. both to have the fir options are illegal. courts ruled against the indefinite detention of the family and separating children from the family, at ths point. they're doing something we know is not allowed by the courts. they're saying, on th