katrina pierson said there are two tapes. we've reached out to cbs for verification was this two separate tapes? we haven't gotten word back. you raise a fair point. gloria, the president does seem to have a penchant for likening people to dogs. i like dogs, but things like choking, getting fired, sweating, a few comparisons he's made to people over the past few years. >> mitt romney choking like a dog. it's his way, a silly way of donald trump asserting his prowess and his dominance. he doesn't like dogs. we know he is a germophobe. but what this is really about is about saying i am stronger than you, and i am better than you, and you choke like a dog and you sweat like a dog, and i'm going to fire that -- i'm going to fire that dog. it's demeaning not only to the person who is saying it, which would be donald trump, but it is demeaning to the office of the presidency and the stature of the presidency because a president really needs to understand that he should not be speaking like this. and i know his supporters will say t

my only question is what we have not heard from you and we heard from katrina pierson. let's just play that. >> in the book omarosa says katrina heard from her sources that the tape of trump uses the "n" word someone she knew told her that luntz heard it. she asked trump about it on the plane specifically whether it is possible and such a tape may exist, he says no. then katrina asked him what he wanted to do and he said put it to bed and katrina kucursed and said he said it. did it happen? >> it sounds like she's writing a script for a movie. i have been out there talking about this. that's absolutely not true. >> so that was before the tape was released. the tape actually does backup what ed's question is. she says it did not happen but it did. >> well, katrina says she was placating somebody -- >> she said the conversation happened. >> no, what we said again that what didn't happen is we did not have a conference call confirming that luntz heard donald trump says the "n" word. donald trump denied he use this derogatory term and he's been clear on twitter. >> he says i

we just booked to correct all my katrina pierson.'s what she said. >> ed: why didn't you tell me, ed, i didn't know all the details, but i did say, yes, he used this and were to use the conversation along whitesburg of the first call you are talking about where she is claiming i said that, was in a totally different call, where she was arguing with lynne patton about the existence. let me explain something to you! omarosa has been using this tape to manipulate people. >> ed: she's also using this tape to sell a lot of books. you have katrina pierson doubling down on the book idea of using the word "dog." they say they don't want to focus, she's a liar, they are giving her more attention, and they are selling a lot of books. >> i kind of needed a whiteboard for that discussion because there were a lot of things going on. >> ed: this one, that one. >> the bottom line is they were trying to spin it originally, then omarosa comes out with tapes, and it doesn't look good, and now they are trying to figure it out, going forward. the whole

i know you spoke to katrina pierson about this. just last night, she told a very different story. >> she did. she and other trump campaign advisers that denied the conversation like the one we just heard, they said that didn't take plate. katrina pierson gave me a statement yesterday saying this is all a complete fabrication, stef, by omarosa. but on that tape, you heard katrina pierson speaking of donald trump and this purported "n" word tape and said he said it, he's embarrassed by it. nbc news, we should point out, has not been able to verify the authenticity of that recording. in which donald trump uses the "n" word. and they talked repeatedly about how to handle it. i've been calling katrina pierson, all morning, but no word back yet. between two people who are of compromised credibility. one of whom, omarosa, seems to have evidence to back up at least some of her claims. >> it's like michael cohen all over again, two people without any credibility, but one's got the tapes to prove it. i want to bring my panel in. christine to

essentially katrina pierson now saying omarosa is wrong, crazy, whatever you want to say.'ll be on erin burnett "out front" this evening to explain her side of this. let's go to cnn's jeff zeleny at the white house. i was going to ask you to help untangle this. i don't think it can be untangled. >> reporter: john, what it speaks to is the fact that new statement there from katrina pierson, now she says she acknowledges there was a secret tape recording. she said she was trying to placate omarosa at the time. what this all boils down to, let's take a step back. this boils down to who president trump, then candidate trump, decided to surround himself with. at the time he brought omarosa on to the campaign, it was unclear he was going to become the 45th president of the united states. it was unclear that she would end up here at the white house, but that is what happened. this is a huge mess, largely of everyone's making. as we untangle this, there is potentially some legal action here. there has been an action filed in new york state, potentially with the trump campaign, see

fox news that i an exclusive, with term 2020 campaign advisor katrina pierson. about to break some news. in the book, she complained confirms that president trump used a racial slur. pearson is here to say that is not false but she will reveal new information that could poke more holes in her story. information you will only hear this our ominous show. plus, another high-profile firing in washington today. the fbi was at the firing of this anti-trump tax controversy was fired. the president says it's about time. as the firing just for show or are we about to see some real accountability in the investigator of the investigators? will investigate. hello and welcome to "fox news @ night." i am ed henry in for shannon bream. we begin with the latest insider account of the white house. omarosa manigault newman is a former colleague of katrina pierson, making wild claims by the president. person will reveal that new information i mentioned about omarosa in a moment. but first, let's go to trace gallagher. good evening, trace. >> good evening. in three separate intervi

but that's where katrina pierson has landed.an't get to the bottom of this. so many stories. so many changing stories. back to you, jim. >> won't know unless we do find there's a tape. chris sills cillizza, thank you. >>> sarah sanders having an opportunity to clarify remarks from yesterday when she was asked whether the president is on the tape using the "n" word. here is the response that got so much attention yesterday. >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people they'll never hear donald trump utter the "n" word on a recording in any context? >> i can't guarantee anything, but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly. i can tell you that i've never heard it. >> just to be clear, you can't guarantee it? >> look, i haven't been in every single room. >> joining me now is julie hirschfield davis. listening to sarah sanders there. that's not the first time you see the white house spokesperson protect themselves a bit. one say, well, the president has said this. it's not me. the presi

two tracks, one was the book and one was the evidence to support the book but i thought that katrina pierson tape was damning. she had gone on the tv the night before saying it was totally false and everything else that omarosa was saying was a lie but in that tape is real, that's pretty bad. most people at the level of office that the president is in in 2018 in this country, not only would you guess they would not be on a tape saying that word but their aides would say there is not going to be a tape of that. i think sarah sanders is being self-protective by making sure that not saying definitively this doesn't exist when she clearly doesn't know and there's clearly a doubt in someone's mind and that katrina pierson audio adds to that. >> give us a senseover what is the situation right now in this white house? we started off the week talking about how omarosa said she had these tapes because everybody lies in the white house and so you needed to make tapes of things and there was this sense of paranoia. there were concerns about what else might come out. here we are a few days in as john po

katrina pierson.e known you and when they say there wasn't even fact-checked, i'm pretty shocked at the publisher to be honest, that they would allow it. >> i am too. i met omarosa through president trump and we became friends. i'm surprised she went scorched earth and all of the conversations her and i a have had as to african-americans on the campaign trail along with katrina pierson, diamond and silk and a few others. she never, ever even insinuated even remotely insinuated that the president was racist. in fact, she defended him very vigorously and she gave me talking points on episodes from her life where he was just a help to her and family members. i think her brother died and he helped then. she told me about how much he helped her before, during and after the "apprentice," helped her get a deal, kept her in his orbit, in his loop and even when she goes on to say that she was offered hush money, i don't see where somebody offering you a job, a landing space after you lose one job and they offe

i reached out to katrina pierson about omarosa's other allegations involving her, and she said it wastotal fabrication. after cbs released that tape i then reached out to katrina pierson again, around 7:30, 8:00 this morning. she's given us an updated statement where, andrea, she says that she said that, the reason she said what they said on the tape was that it was one of the many times she would placate omarosa to move the discussion along "because i was wea weary at her obsession over this alleged tape." so it appears katrina pierson and other campaign advisers are sticking by their assertion that this alleged tape does not exist. but the american people can make up their own minds on where he stands on crucial issues of race and ethnicity. >> we should point out omarosa was the only high level african-american in the entire administration, in the white house staff, and has not been replaced. she was fired in december. ashley parker, you've been writing on these nondisclosure agreements as they apply to white house officials. and omarosa says she did not sign one, despite what was

yet, today, omarosa had a tape of katrina pierson discussing the tape. take a listen. >> i said, well, sir, can you think of anytime that this might have happened and he said no. >> well, that's not true. >> he goes, how do you think i should handle it, and i told him exactly what you just said, omarosa, which is, well, it depends on what scenario you're talking about. and he said, well, why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed. >> he said -- >> he said it. no, he said it. >> katrina pierson saying he said it and was embarrassed. that is despite telling omarosa she never had the conversation. the significance of the recordings? >> it shows the den of liars and thieves they are. they're their own investatifestf corruption and crazy. why was omarosa recording these conversations in the first place? >> that was during the campaign, to be clear. >> she was clearly setting this up for this moment. she was setting this up to drop a dime on her colleagues and people she was working with on the campaign from the very beginning. all of this, you know, fake a

apparently capturing a phone call she had with then campaign spokesperson katrina pierson and senior adviser lynn patton discussing an "n" word tape, something the president has denied and how they could spin it if it came out. nbc news has not been given access to the tape and we do not know what came before or after, but listen. >> i'm trying to find out at least what context it was used in to helps us maybe try to figure out a way to spin it. >> i said, well, sir, can you think of any time that this might have happened and he said no. >> well, that's not true. so -- >> he goes, how do you think i should handle it? i told him exactly what you just said, omarosa, which is well, it depends on what scenario you're talking about. and he said, well why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed. he said it. >> last night on fox news, katrina pierson said that conversation never took places. >> no. that did not happen. it sounds like she's writing a script for a movie. i've already been out there talking about this. that is absolutely not true. i have no sources with that tape. >> she's n

katrina pierson: "he said. no, he said it. he is embarrassed by it." one of the staffers on the call, katrina pierson, telling cnn she was only trying to 'placate omarosa.' the president again taking to twitter denying that any tape of him using a racial slur exists, claiming, "i don't have that word in my vocabulary"the trump campaign taking legal steps against omarosa today...filing an arbitration action alleging she violated a confidentiality agreement. while cnn has not seen the agreement omarosa signed, it has obtained a copy of the non-disclosure agreement trump campaign officials signed in 2016. those who signed agreed not to disparage the president or his family, and agreed to binding arbitration if they did...the messy feud...creating an environment of paranoia in the west wing...as officials fear there could be more recordings to come...while omarosa continues her book tour... omarosa manigault-newman: "there was a lot of corruption that went on both in the campaign and in the white house and i'm going to blow the whistle on all of it." (vick

>> i'm interested to hear what katrina pierson says. it's tough to figure out another meaning to he said it, he is embarrassed. maybe there is another meaning. the denying that they confirmed with frank luntz that donald trump used that word is one thing. in some ways is a bit of a red herring. you can deny donald trump used that racial slur in that specific context. but then if you say, he said it, he is embarrassed, who else could the he be in the context of that tape you just played? i think it's important what you said at the top. sometimes you have to take a step back, as i take a step back from the weeds i was just in and say, it is not normal that we are having conversations like this about the president of the united states. we have not had this in the past. that should be the overarching theme of our coverage. yes, we should figure out the who he is referring to. but broadly speaking, as it relates to certainly as it relates to race and i would say gender as well, with this president, we are having conversations, we are through

omarosa, you come and katrina pierson. >> first i want to start off by saying, thank you so much foreeting my statement last night, you know, it's been getting picked apart today, and that is really why i am here. it's because, there is something seriously wrong with society when a woman can run around the white house and surreptitiously record people come possibly in violation of her own national security contract, but yet, katrina and i are the one who have to come on national television and explain ourselves. you know, i've made it very clear, and i stand by my statement, that i released last night, that the audiotapes that she has released, first of all, conflate two different conversations. one is with me, omarosa, and katrina. the other is also with me, omarosa, katrina, and jason. but the distinction is modeled. what you are hearing, really, in my opinion, is not only verification of the president said very early on and very sternly and immediately that he did not use this derogatory term, but the more i hear this recording, what you are also hearing it as woman, omarosa, who

so the idea that she is taping someone like katrina pierson, fine. but willing to tape the chief of staff in the most sensitive room in the white house, it makes you wonder who else she would be willing to tape. especially that communication team and there is talk of tapes from jared and ivanka, and tapes of other family members that are going to potentially come out. >> late on this. this is an ethic question. it seems to be we have spend a lot of days did donald trump use the n-word back in whenever. what do you make of that hunt for that word. what do you make of it? >> i think it is silly. i don't think finding the tape is going to convince people that support trump post charlottesville that he is a racist. enough document that proves that donald trump has racist feelings in his heart. he demonstrates that every day. the fact that he tweeted and called a black woman a dog. we don't need to be on the hunt for a tape when we have evidence in our faces. and the n-word is not the only manifestation of racism. it is the every day acts of racism dimini

. >> katrina pierson says he said it. >> did that happen?e she's writing a script for a mew viovie. this morning, manigault-newman released a snippet of the tape. >> she had a conversation with trump about whether he ever used the racial slur. >> i said, well, can you think of any time that this may have happened and he said no. >> well, that's not true. how do you think i should handle it, i told him omarosa what exactly saw said. depending on what scenario you are talking about and why don't you put it to bed >> he said it and he's embarrassed. >> a new segment pierson acknowledged there were rumors in the campaign but it was circulated by omarosa and her alone. athena jones, cnn, new york. >> thank you, athena for that. >> president trump claims the "n" word is not even in his vocabulary, i am going to ask my next guest if he believes that. sfx: [cell phone dialing] no. no, no, no, no, no. cancel. cancel. please. aaagh! being in the know is a good thing. that's why discover will alert you if your social security number is found on any one

katrina pierson, long time spokesperson, responding saying how do we spin it, in effect treating it as credible at the time. omarosa has her own credibility issues as well here. is this something substantive that bears pursuit, this allegation from oomarosa? >> the idea there might be a tape out there. i think journalists have been looking into this. it was something that was floated during the campaign. it was floated by somebody who worked on "the apprentice." >> to be clear, we're talking about a tape that records the president using the "n" word. >> what's so interesting about that is the ways in which you had these three african-american women who were on that campaign strategically to defend the president against charges of racism. it's something that omarosa talks about in her book. this idea that how can donald trump be racist because he was so good to omarosa. that was her role in the campaign. she very often defended him against attacks of sexism and racism. now as he's facing those attacks from her, he doesn't necessarily have a lot of people left who can defend him. >> that

a spokesperson katrina pierson said the tape you heard there is taken out of context. mark burnett has not responded for comment. >> omarosa made a claim to our own katy tur if true would be of interest to special counsel bob mueller. take a listen. >> so you were instructed, according to your book to bring up the e-mails at every point you could at the end of the 2016 campaign? >> that's correct. >> hillary clinton's e-mails? >> that was our talker. >> did donald trump know about the e-mails before they came out? >> absolutely. >> he knew about them? >> yes. >> he knew about them before wikileaks? >> yes. >> you said donald trump had a back channel. >> i didn't say that, ub did. i will expose the campaign and i will continue to proceed the whistle on all of this. >> not true. he didn't know. i know he didn't know. >> if he did in. >> i know it beyond being his lawyer. >> if he knew, is it a problem? >> no, and but, he didn't know. i'm not even going to get into a hypothetical. he did not know. >> omarosa did not offer everyday to back up that claim. it is not in her b

this conversation is between several campaign officials including katrina pierson the trump campaign spokeswoman. katrina will be on our show in just a moment. first to the white house. the president was adamant. why don't sanders guarantee, why won't she say he didn't use that racist word? >> that's the he request on everyone's mind here. the president was definitive and clear in his tweet last night saying that word is not in his vocabulary. it seemed like a simple request for the press secretary to say she is quite sure no tape will come out of the president uttering that word. instead sarah said she never heard him say it, that he had said he never said it but she wouldn't state definitively we will never hear president trump saying that word in an audio recording. she also made stunning remarks while fielding questions about omarosa's book. when she was asked about the president referring to one of the top african-american officials in this white house, someone who made $179,000 per year one of the highest salaries you can earn here in the west wing, referring to her as a dog as

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this time, featuring trump campaign staffers lynne patton and katrina pierson, discussing a rumor thatresident trump was caught on tape using the n-word. >> i've said, well, first, can you think of any time that this might have happened? he said, no. >> that's not true. >> not the way you just said, omarosa, it depends on what scenario you are talking about, and he said, why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed? i said -- he's a menace. >> laura: president trump vehemently denies that he's ever been caught on tape using a racial slur. joining me now for reaction was one of the people you've heard on that recording, lynne patton. currently a senior advisor too housing and urban development secretary ben carson there. great to see you, lynne. thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> great to be here, laura. thank you. >> laura: tell us about that conversation that took place, the recording we just heard, part of a recording from october of 2016.f omarosa, you come and katrina pierson. >> first i want to start off by saying, thank you so much for re-tweeting my statement last nig

katrina pierson said she thought he actually said it. >> no, that did not happen. sounds like she's writing a script for a movie. >> i'm trying to find out at least the context. to help us maybe figure out a way to spin it. >> i said, well, sir, can you think of any time that this might have happened? and he said no. >> well, that's not true. >> how do you think i should handle it? and i told him exactly what you just said, which is, well, it k depends on what scenario you're talking about. he said, why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed. he said it. he's embarrassed. >> you have everything you say in the book backed up by tape or e-mail? >> absolutely. if you see it in quotes, it can be verified. >> last hour, one of the aides you just saw released a statement. katrina pierson writes in part, in her secret tape recording of me, it was one of many times i would placate omarosa to move her along because i was weary of her obsession over this alleged tape. nancy cook, a white house reporter for politico. danny cevallos is an msnbc legal analyst. john me chum,

alleged tape with lynn patton, an assistant to eric trump and former trump campaign spokeswoman katrina pierson. >> he goes how do you think i should handle it and i told him it depends on what scenario you're talking about and he said well, why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed. he said it. he's embarrassed. >> reporter: white house press secretary sarah sanders denied the allegations and criticized the secret taping of private conversations. >> this has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with the president calling out someone's lack of integrity. >> reporter: the trump action claiming omarosa broke her 2016 confidentiality agreement. >> i think that the best play for omarosa would have been to take credit for a lot of the great things that donald trump has done for this country including for african americans. >> reporter: in a series of tweets tuesday, the president referred to his former aide as a crazed crying low life and a dog. nicole killian, cbs news, the white house. >>> here in california if someone wants to record a telephone conversation, everybody on t

2016 campaign about the alleged "n" word tape with other aides, including with then-spokesperson katrina pierson who seemed to address the charges. >> he said it. he's embarrassed. >> reporter: prson says the conversation is incorrectly characterized. "apprentice" producer mark burnett did not respond to our request for comment. they are planning to gshut her down by forcer into arbitration over a non-disclosure agreement. as the voicesow, including actor tom arnold and aan me lester. >> she had a lot to say, not just issues of race today. she tald aboutther accusations against the president. what were they? >> reporter: she d, lester. manigault newman said has hns interviewed by the special counsel and'ded she would be willing to speak with him again and turn over her tapes. pand anotherential bombshell, manigault newman said the president knew aut e e-mails stolen from the clinton campaign before they were released by wikileakseclined to give any evidence. no response from the white house or the special cnsel about all of that. >> all right. kristen welker at the white house. thanks. n >>> ove

saying and i quote -- so that is from katrina pierson moments ago. as for omarosa herself on cbs news this morning, she continued to defend the practice of recording conversations. >> yes, i'm the kind of person who covers her own back, in trump world, everyone lies, everyone says one thing one day and change their story the next day. i wanted to have this type of documentation so that in the event i found myself in this position where as you said they're questioning my credibility saying they never discussed the "n" word tape, never heard the accusations, the president never heard the accusations when, in fact, this tape proves they discussed it at high levels of the trump campaign. i've been in politics for 20 years, everybody lies in politics. i worked in the clinton administration during the monica lewinsky scandal where he first said he never had relations with her and we found out that was a lie. i learned very early on in politics that this is a cut throat world and you have to be tough. 20 years in politics, and i've learned lessons. number o

katrina pierson, the, ys on thag that she communicated with him and that he had heard it. ly in this chapter about what happened between katrina and frank luntz. he's absolutely right. i never spoke to him, never reached out to him. i was simply reporting what was on the tape -- >> he said it's not true. but why do you want to work in a world, as you say, where everybody lies? why do you want to be -- >> i've been in politics for 20 years. everybody lies in politics. i worked in the clinton administration during the monica lewinsky scandal when he first said he never had relations with her and we found out that that was a lie. i learned very early on in politics that this is a cutthroat world and you have to be tough. 20 years in the white -- in politics and i've learned some lessons. number one, you have to look out for yourself. and two, things change. relationships change. and people always protect themselves. you have to look out for yourself. >> there are conflicting reports as to when you first heard the tape where the president allegedly uses the n word. there are re

he sub tweeted katrina pierson tweet, perfect.exico. are any pure breeds left? elise, these are people that donald trump surrounds himself with. these are people that donald trump is perfectly fine with and, you know, it is not just that he's using the "n" word, it is that they're trying to spin it the best way they can spin it, and the person trying to spin it is saying publicly she's discussed it, that there are no, quote, pure breeds left. >> well, that's really big picture i think what we should take away from this episode. it is not really about omarosa so much, just as it is about someone who came in, was clearly opportunistic, with no loyalty. as soon as she decides the trump bandwagon isn't staying hitched to -- i mean shifs firee was fi too -- jumped ship and would rather take a payout every month. so you see with her what other trump officials will probably do in the coming months and years. they're going to also come out with their own stories and disavow as they all try to take care of themselves because donald trump h

court press not just from the white house but the president's allies on the outside including katrina pierson who is in omarosa's book. this is how she denies those allegations. >> that is absolutely not true. i have no sources with that tape, no connections to anyone at "celebrity apprentice" other than omarosa and she was the only one that brought this tape u up. >> so, again, omarosa claim she is has tapes that bolster her side of the story. the question is who to believe in all of this and clearly nun of it is going away. this book to you are is just getting under way. the book is out today and she continues her appearances this week. >> the president is fight this he said/she said bat with omarosa and then he's fighting with jeff sessions. a big attack yesterday. this morning he says we need a real attorney general slamming jeff sessions. why? >> the president with a series of tweets about the russia investigation but he won't lay off of attorney general jeff sessions saying if we had a real attorney general this witch-hunt would never be started. this continues to be part of a crusade o

katrina pierson and lynne patton can be heard discussing the possible existence of such a recording with the president using the racial slur. pierson even suggests mr. trump is, quote, embarrassed by it. >> both women now claim they were just trying to get omarosa to move on. pierson telling cnn's erin burnett, the former "apprentice" star was the, quote, complete epitome of annoying. >> it got to the point where we had a campaign to run. so, what you hear in that tape, which is not the tape she's been referencing, is me placating to her, which i did a number of times because she would not let this tape go. >> there were a lot of times that we talked about this tape because omarosa was literally obsessed with it. she brought it up constantly. it's clear now that the reason why she did was because she was serpentisciously recording us. >> earlier this week on fox, pierson initially denied having any conversation about the existence of a possible trump "n" word tape. >>> all right, this moment yesterday, white house press secretary sarah sanders issuing a rare correction, apologizing for f

katrina pierson: "that is absolutely not true. i have no sources with that tape.no idea what she is talking about."while defending himself against omarosa's attacks -- president trump apparently confirming white house staffers are asked to sign non-disclosure agreements. omarosa claims the trump campaign offered her a fifteen- thousand dollar a month job in exchange for signing an n-d-a -- where she would have to "promise and agree to not demean or disparage" the administration and trump family members.omarosa: "i never signed that draconian nda that they presented to me when i walked into the white house." omarosa coming under fire for secretly recording a conversation with chief of staff john kelly in the white house situation room -- áandá a phone call she had with president trump after being fired.trump: "omarosa, what's going on? i just saw on the news that you're thinking leaving? what happened?" omarosa: "general kelly -- general kelly came to me and said that you guys wanted me to leave."trump: "no, i -- i - - nobody even told me about it."omarosa: "wow."t

folks on the payroll who can be charitably described as trump's hanger onto lewandowski and to katrina pierson in some cases, it is not clear what they are doing for the entity and it does raise some question in some donors' minds if they are being paid to keep them from turning on the president. there are donors that are not willing to go star to say this would stop them from continuing to give, they want some answers. >> you report your story and willingness to slowly deploy the tape for maximum effect is straight for mr. trump's play book. elaborate. >> ciyeah, this goes back to th birth certificate crusade that brought trump to the republican politics. the suggestion that somehow there is some smoking gun that either trump or in this case omarosa has access to will bring their arrivals the their knees and expose them as frauds. this is a trump tactic and so far some of the tapes we heard including the one that you just played of you and your team got of lara trump, they are revealing but they're not bomb shells and omarosa continues to suggest that she may have that bomb shell. that's a co

where we talked about the possibility of him saying, andis own spokesperson, katrina pierson, said ile source that yes he said it. actually heard the tape? >> absolutely. >> let's get into it.on how is this tape? >> there are multiple let's establish that. when you read my book tomorrow which is available tomorrow "unhinged" you'll see there are three different sources who corroborate the differentngs he said. >> you said since the book was published you have heard it. how long was the tape? >> about three minutes. >> audio or video? audio. >> okay. what is the context? >> i'm going to allow you and most americans to read the book. >> this isn't in the book. >> the talk about the n-word tape is throughout thebo . have you read the book? >> yes, but -- >> i answered that question. at's the next question. >> i was curious, the context in he presidentlege used the n-word. >> talking about some african-americansn the production during the course of the "the apprentis" which unacceptable. here's the thing, why don't we ask donald trump a simple question. donald j. trump,ave you eve used t

so i do find it a little bit interesting that candace owens, katrina pierson, to lovely african-americanomen, instead of focusing on the fact that tomorrow is equal pay day for black woman, are focused on this issue when we have such an incredible opportunity to highlight the disparity in pay that black women receive, that they actually have to work until august 7th to get the same equal pay as their white, male counterparts. trish: that is another conversation. >> they have a platform. they could be focused on that. trish: we're talking about twitter, whether they basically are willing to clamp down on one group of people because they're conservative and not another group of people because they're liberal. it seems, like you know, you woe want, deroy murdoch is here as well, some fairness across the board. >> of course. trish: no tolerance for any kind of hate speech period. it doesn't matter which side it is coming from. i think twitter has proven, for whatever reason are a little bit more careful and cautious with anybody who is conservative as opposed to a liberal? >> if there is any

alleged tape with lynn patton, an assistant to eric trump and former trump campaign spokeswoman katrina pierson. >> he goes how do you think i should handle it and i told him exactly what you just said, omarosa, which is well, it depends on what scenario you're talking about and he said well, why don't you just go ahead and put it to bed. he said it. he's embarrassed. >> reporter: white house press secretary sarah sanders denied the allegations and criticized the secret taping of private conversations. >> this has absolutely nothing to do with race and everything to do with the president calling out someone's lack of integrity. >> reporter: the trump campaign filed an arbitration action claiming omarosa broke her 2016 confidentiality agreement. >> i think that the best play for omarosa would have been to take credit for a lot of the great things that donald trump has done for this country including for african americans. >> reporter: in a series of tweets tuesday the president referred to his former aide as a crazed crying low life and a dog. >> is this any way for a president to talk about any

in the 2016 campaign about the alleged tape with other aides including with then spokesperson katrina pierson. >> he said it. no. he said it. he is embarrassed. >> reporter: overnight, she said the comments were taken out of context. >> it is not real. that's the whole point. >> reporter: in another revelation, newman says she's been interviewed by the special counsel and is open to meeting again. >> if he calls me, i certainly will participate with anything that he needs. >> reporter: adding that candidate trump absolutely knew about the e-mails stolen from the clinton campaign before they were released by wikileaks. but declined to give any details. >> i'm going to expose the corruption that went on in the campaign and in the white house. i'm going to continue to blow the whistle on all of this. >> reporter: overnight, the president's attorney insisting mr. trump had no prior knowledge of the wikileaks e-mail dump. >> she is lying because i was on the campaign. more than she was. >> kristin welker reporting there. all this is going on as the trump campaign files a complaint against manigaul

those people on that tape, lynn patton and katrina pierson, both initially denied that that episode ever happened. they denied that there was a conference call in which they discussed this episode at all. then omarosa released the tape. by later that afternoon they both appeared on cnn last night and they totally changed their story. this is what they had to say. >> she really was a dog with a bone when it came to this tape. it got to the point where we had a campaign to run. what you hear in that tape, which is not the tape she's been referencing, is me placating to her, which i did a number of times, because she would not let this tape go. >> there were a lot of times that we talked about this tape because omarosa was literally obsessed with it. she brought it up constantly. it is clear now the reason why she did is because she was surreptitiously recording us. >> first, those conversations never happened, now they happened but they happened because of omarosa. it is all coming down to who can you believe here. is it the former white house staffer who's turned on her boss, or the curre

katrina pierson, who was a spokesperson for the trump campaign said the president had indeed sad it.was embarrassed by it. but afterwards, pierson put out a statement saying this was a rumor started by omarosa herself. pierson added in the statement, quote, omarosa fabricated the story by conflating numerous discussions. within minutes of that tape being released, coincidental or not the president took to twitter and posted the following saying, quote, when you give a crazed, crying, low-life a break and give her a job at the white house, i guess it just didn't work out. good work by general kelly for quickly firing that dog. the white house battling back suggestion at the press briefings that the president's characterization went a bit too far. >> i think the president is certainly voicing his frustration with the fact that this person has shown a complete lack of integrity, particularly by the actions following her time here at the white house. reporter: now the president's 2016 campaign is now fighting back, filing an arbitration case in new york contending that omarosa broke a co

might have said or learning something new about their boss, the tape that omarosa released of katrina pierson, a spokeswoman on his campaign and another top adviser, lynn patton, discussing the potential existence of the "n" word tape saying he's said it, he's embarrassed shows in her mission for publicity and payback, she's willing to embarrass former colleagues along the way so the people i spoke to said for the people who interact with her a lot, which is mostly on the communications staff, it's this feeling every morning that it looks like she's going to trickle them out and this feeling like, oh, god, what did i say that i don't remember. >> here's the thing, and we have to remember. these people all work at the white house voluntarily. omarosa told the two of us that the communications team on a daily basis crafts lies that they put up and the president tells, ivanka trump said after the "access hollywood" tape she had never heard her father speak that way but found i jarring. how can any of them continue this nonsense narrative when you line up when the president does day in and day ou

katrina pierson and others who were trump aides say we never had such a conversation with omarosa.marosa produces a tape. wow. maybe there is something to it. you say she has no credibility. i agree with you and i would've agreed with you long time ago but she keeps producing tapes that infect back up her story >> dana: kennedy, is the president somewhat paying the price for trying -- for being loyal to her and he liked her apparently on the apprentice. he liked her spunk. he liked that she was a villain. maybe she would turn things up and get things done. sometimes you make a bad call. >> kennedy: she is an unstable person. we all ignore person like that. your work life or your family life. these other people who hold situations hostage. they always find a way to get in there, especially to the most powerful person who can usurp any of their enemies around them and right the wrongs that have been done before them. the president obviously is a loyal person look at some of the people he's had on the campaign staff and the people he's hired in the white house. somewhat questionable,

. >> and katrina pierson will be on fox news later this evening, 11:00 p.m. eastern. she's scheduled to talk about the tapes, what happened overnight and of course what is happening today. >> shepard: and a lot more is happening. omarosa is making appearance after appearance. in the last few minutes, omarosa also claimed in a television appearance that president trump knew advanced that the wikileaks documents were coming out. there's no way to know where this is going or which parts of these are true unless and until we hear tapes thereof and there's been some and she's says there's more. >> she says she doesn't believe she violated her nda and will leave it up to the lawyers. people say can you record in the white house? the district of columbia is a one-party state. did she break any laws while inside the white house. that's been discussed as well. >> shepard: let's turn to david hawking, a former senior editor for roll call. nice to talk to you. >> nice to be with you. >> shepard: tapes are not new in this administration. we can go back to grab her in the you know

[cheers and applause] >> laura: joining us now with reaction, katrina pierson, of course, senior advisor to the 2020 trump campaign. that's right. already talking about 2020. florida's republican attorney general pam bondi an attorney and democratic strategist, great to see all of you tonight. pam, let's start with you, pam. indiana -- i think this is the president's third trip, he's heading to charlotte, north carolina, for the next rally. he is stacked for these rallies, he is going to hit every -right-curly-bracket, senate race, he'll do some house races, some people thought he wasn't going to be this active on the campaign trail, but, boy, were they wrong. >> they share work, laura. look at president trump, look at his energy. he loves doing this, he loves going out on supporting these candidates, and he knows how important congresses to helping him pass the agenda that he needs to pass, and he cares, and he is out there. i mean, this man must never, ever sleep. i mean, the president is working tirelessly to help all of these races. and he loves it. he loves it. >> laura: katrina, i'

this is a clip of the audio in which trump spokesperson katrina pierson is spepeaking.isten carefully. >> i'm trained to find out at least the context it was used in to help us maybe try to figure out a a way to spin it. amy: omarosa released that tape. on tuesday, white house spokeswoman sarah huckabee sanders said she could not guarantee that there isn't an audio recording of trump using the n-word. this is sanders being questioned by nbc news's kristen welker. >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people they will nevever hear donald trump under the n-word on a recording in any context? >> i can't guarantee anything, but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly. i can tell you i have never heard it. amy: in italy, at least 39 people were kikilled when n brie collapsed in genoa tuesday, sending dozens of vehicles tumbling 150 feet. the cause of the collapse is not yet known, but many residents are calling on the head of the company that operated the bridge to resign. the morandi bridge was the fifth bridge to collapse in i

i mean, we first heard about it in the fall of 2016, got on a conference call with katrina pierson, lynne patton and jason miller as you will see in the book, and they all suspected it was true. in fact, katrina pearson, the spokeswoman for the campaign, said he said it. it's true. >> she never heard him say it. she's denied the -- >> i mean, she knows i have receipts. i think she should probably read the book first and then hear herself saying it. >> before listening to that tape, before getting the tape that you described, had you -- were you ever in his presence when he used a racial slur? >> you know, i was in his presence when he said inappropriate things but never used the "n" word in my presence ever. >> let me move on. you said that the betrayal -- the idea that he might have used this word, that it would be this betrayal because he might have used it about you. >> absolutely. >> do you believe he used it about you? >> possibly. because donald trump talks about everyone behind their backs. you leave the room, he has something for you. he has a nickname for everyone in his administ

. >> jimmy: so katrina pierson, who said the conversation never happened, not only did it happen, youan hear he say about the "n" word, he said it, he's embarrassed. which i think we're all embarrassed by this. but now the word from inside the white house is that they're worried omarosa might have dozens of tapes and that other staffers might have tapes and of course there are these alleged "apprentice" tapes and on top of all those we uncovered this tape today of the president using all kinds of "n" words. "n" words galore. >> nasty. nestle. new york. nuns. nfl. national anthem. "new york times." nascar. no collusion. nabisco. navy. new england. >> nukes negotiation. nose dive. norway. nato. north carolina. nice. >> nam booea. nevada. nuclear. not good. nasa. nigeria. nope. nhl. news. nazi. netanyahu. no, no, no. >> jimmy: we'll update that one with the new tape. [ cheers and applause ] i will say this. i don't plan to read it but there's a lot of good stuff in this omarosa book. she says trump calls the secretary of education "ditsy devos" instead of betsy. calls attorney general je

. >> katrina pierson tonight subject conversation ever took place but today clarify her comments in a statement saying these rumors were always being circuited by omarosa and her alone. adding "i would placate omarosa to move the discussion along because i was wary of her obsession over this alleged tape." today the white house defended its use of nondisclosure agreements or ndas, which strike at the very heart of what former staffers can and can't say after leaving. >> despite contrary opinion, it's actually very normal and every administration prior to the trump administration's had ndas, particularly specific for anyone who had a security clearance. >> i don't believe i violated it but i believe it to the lawyers to sort it out. it's interesting he's trying to silence me. what is he trying to hide? >> among omarosa's other claims, she says she's been interviewed by special counsel robert miller's team, although she did not go into specifics about what you may or may not have discussed in the interview. furthermore, she says president trump himself knew of the contents of the clinto