it's the same as hurricane katrina with bush. bush's numbers were high. en people who didn't like him had to acknowledge he was likable as a person. what happened with katrina was the ability to look competent was cratered. that one photograph of him looking out the plane window as an american city went underwater, he never recovered from that. is this website going to recover and the program going to recover in a way that obama can never recover? or is he going to lose the senate in november? the house republicans going maintain a majority? he will be able to do almost nothing certainly through laws, you know, for the rest of his presidency. >> at least president obama did not say sebelius you're doing heck of a job. you have to help us fix not only healthcare.gov but the whole government system for procurement for i.t. is messed up. >> with silicon valley's role in health care, absolutely important. but there's another aspect of silicon valley that promotes problems for obama, that is this increase divide in income. the haves and have-nots. we're seeing

reaganest iran contra affair bill, bill clinton and the actual white house affair with monica lewinsky, hurricane katrina under bush's watch. so, ben, talk about this because doesn't obama care, which is actually supposed to be a good thing, providing improving health care for americans making sure that all families and kids are insured, isn't that supposed to be a positive thing and it's going to be something that is reflected upon at least in the rollout as something negative? >> i think you're making a good point. you're talking about big scandals in those prior administrations and the only scandal here was that the website didn't work in the first place. and certainly they're taking steps to restore the site. it's shown much improved functionality at this point. also, you talked about president clinton and president reagan. their numbers improved from the low point in their administration because of the improving economy. i think if you look at the poll today, we can't overstate the importance of americans seeing their personal economic consequences improve. if that continues, and now that we've stopped these sel

and when they went down for any politician, bush saw it with iraq and katrina and obama seeing it now with the statements and the government shutdown. this happens and i think i don't know how many campaigns i have run in my life, it is hard to regain the public's trust once you go out there and at a lose faith. not only in your policies, but in you as a leader and that is a challenge for this president. >> guy, your last thought. it is as if the president didn't realize there were cameras rolling the 30 something time thing. >> it is videotape. we play it over and over. and i hate to be the spoiler, you like your plan and doctor keep it. that will be the strong contenders of the 2014 lie of the year. millions more americans will have cancellations and paired back networks next year. maybe they will get themselves a head of the curve for once. >> thank you very much. enjoy the weekend. >> ally? >> we would like to know. >> have you heard a bigger whopper in 2013? >> send us a tweet@alisyncamerota. >> and@billhemmer. >> we like the creativity. >> we like humor, too. it goes a long way.

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in the december 8, 2005 gallup three months after hurricane katrina, president bush registered a 43% approval rating with2% saying they disapproved of his performance. almost eight years later to the day, president obama's approval rating in a gallup poll declined to 41%. guest: first of all, you have two different situations. in the case of the bush presidency, there was a slow, steady, almost leaking of the air out of a balloon. katrina was a critical moment, but you had a fairly steady loss of support for the iraq war and that was kind of a heavy baggage that the president had to carry. if you remember, he also tried a couple of instances of social security reform, and he tried immigration reform, and he was unable to get his own party, let alone the democrats, interested. president is unique. in this case you have a president who actually is coming off of some pretty good numbers at the time

bush, as in the problems with the health care plan have become president obama's katrina. >> but today, the website is now fixed enough that it looks like obama care is really here to stay. the repeal strategy is dead and obama care is out of the icu. according to the administration, the error message rate for the front end of the website is less than 1%. that's down from about 6% last month. the site can now handle 50,000 users at a time, 800,000 per day. keep in mind, at one point, the site could handle only about 1,000 users at a time. >> this website is and will function effectively for the vast majority of users. >> not only is the website functioning better, enrollment is up, too. over 100,000 people have successfully selected plans in the federal exchange in november alone, up from the nearly 27,000 who did so in october. during the first few weeks of november, california's same exchange enrolled more people in private plans than they did for the entire month of october. and in new york, over 33,000 people enrolled through the state's exchange in november, double the just over 1

bush, jon, took responsibility and when the country needed him to lead he was a leader. hurricane katrina kat, he didn't wait months and weeks after hurricane katrina, listen the bucks stops with jon: don't you think people largely formed the opinions of the bush administration on the response to katrina which was perceived fairly or unfairly as bungled? >> i think again his legacy will speak for itself years to come. i don't think they judge the president's legacy, george w. bush's legacy. george w. bush was not afraid to talk to the press. this president we have now is scripted. he listens to polls numbers and took him so long, jon, to come out give somewhat of an apology on obamacare. and george w. bush didn't blame other people. with the president's failed policies, president obama, he pointed fingers at republicans. he said it is unfair that the gop wanted him to fail. if you look at george w. bush, he stood up there and even certain policies, jon, that weren't popular with the republican party, you remember 2000 two, the stimulus check that the president sent out? free checks for people to spend in the economy. conservatives didn't like that but bush thought it was a goo

bush, domestic, weapons of mass destruction that weren't there. it undermined his leadership and left him with a terribly diminished popular support, including katrina and the economic downturn, you see. we talked to obama about this, and i said to him, mr. president, if you get into one of these wars without vital public commitment and consensus, it plays havoc with your domestic agenda because you lose your hold. you lose your credibility. remember johnson's credibility gap? how do you know when lending is telling you the truth? he begins to move his lips you know he is lying. [laughter] he didn't think it was funny but it was so revealing of the way in which his credibility was destroyed. when nixon said at a press conference, i am not a crook, that's when his presidency was over. no president has to tell the press in the country i am not a crook. you are finished. it's ridiculous. so you need consensus. you need support from a wide array of people. otherwise, you can't govern effectively. but roosevelt understood that and he had a public face and a private faith, and he manipulated. these subsequent presidents like truman and johnson and bush, t

with bush. and it's interesting now, a lot of people make the comparison is health care president obama's katrinaand there's a lot of evidence to say it is working the same way. you've seen the same drop in approval rating. same drop in personal favorable rating. leadership issues. suddenly i helped to the other side. here's the one difference -- president bush had multiple issues. katrina, iraq, a bad economy. for the president, if he turns around health care it could be more like what happened with clinton. clinton got out of that with lewinsky because the economy was turning around. >> let me ask about the budget deal. hooray, the government's not going to shut down. paul ryan was the republican negotiator. he's got a lot of street cred with the conservative wing of the house republican caucus -- >> you wouldn't have known it last night on twitter. >> i was going to say, is it going to pass? can he sell it? >> is it going to pass? yes. is it probably going to pass with more democrats than republicans even though brian, this is no liberal -- though paul ryan, this is no liberal republican in na

katrina beltran with nyu. and ron christie, a contributing columnist at the daily beast and a former special assistant to president george w. bushgor, let me ask you this, is this the end of speaker boehner's speakership or the beginning? >> well, i hope it's the beginning. you know, this was kind of a long time coming. you saw in 2010 when this new class was elected, boehner very frustrated on issues like the debt ceiling, all of the budget fights. he tried to make a deal with the president, with the democrats. it didn't go anywhere. i mean, issue after issue, the farm bill, comprehensive immigration reform. he tries to do something, they pull back. and so now it all kind of boiled over out into the open. you know, i think at the end of the day, though, this is about politics. republicans right now see obamacare as the golden goose for the 2014 elections. >> again? >> oh, again. they think, again, yes. so anything that distracts from that is a problem. that's why he's saying, guys, sh, let's do obamacare and win elections then you can do what you want. >> part of what i find fascinating, and i really, legitimately mean i find t