remind us of what led up to this, katty kay. | what led up to this, katty kay.onald trump, _ after he left office, donald trump, ratherthan handing after he left office, donald trump, rather than handing over all of— trump, rather than handing over all of the — trump, rather than handing over all of the documents that he had that_ all of the documents that he had that were to do with his while — had that were to do with his white house business and which belong _ white house business and which belong to — white house business and which belong to the us government, took_ belong to the us government, took some of them with him, including _ took some of them with him, including 100 down to mar—a—lago marked as classified and did _ mar—a—lago marked as classified and did not— mar—a—lago marked as classified and did not hand them back again — and did not hand them back again. the question is did he not had _ again. the question is did he not had them back because he was trying to obstruct justice or because he did not realise he had — or because he did not realise he

katty, this is the speaker of the house not some random podcaster, this is from the speaker of the house saying what i saw in those pictures, what i read in the indictment, eh, not so bad. like joe biden returning documents when he was confronted with it, did not obstruct returning them. >> kevin mccarthy is so desperately concerned about his members, he's voting, he's having to say this. there seems to be some distinctions between republicans like bill barr who don't have to account to voters and those who do in terms of what they're saying. nikki haley was interesting yesterday because she is trying to win over voters. she said this puts all our military men and women in danger. this is reckless. she raises again the possibility of a third indictment. somebody who knows national security from her time at the united nations, it would be very hard for her to be as glib perhaps as kevin mccarthy is doing with secrets of this kind.

correspondent for bbc studios, katty kay is with us. and rick is still here. watcher of this president, but this white house. it's not just the speech, but this election to reach as much voters between now and election is as important as anything else? >> yeah, that's absolutely right, nicolle. and the strategy of trying to turn an attack line into an offensive move here is one that many biden advisers are familiar with. in 2010, democrats were losing double-digit margins in the house of representatives and races across the country, as republicans campaigned against obamacare. and two years later, president obama was re-elected as his campaign was selling "i love my obamacare" t-shirts. it's politics 101 but there's an interesting dynamic at play which i was talking to one of president biden's closest adviser, the mood is sour coming out of the pandemic. and campaigns tell a story. this is the beginning in a citiy president biden will come to accept his party's nomination for the second term, begins to tell the story not just what he's done the last 2 1/2 year

katty kay, it's remarkable. this case, he has remained in federal custody. he will face the full weight of the u.s. department of justice for his crimes of missmishandling this information. >> jack teixeira is not a former president. he was a low ranking official. he managed to get ahold of this information and put it on this gaming site. at the time, it came out day after day, these leaks of extraordinary amounts of information he put out about america's security planplans, t dealings with ukraine, the vulnerabilities in the united states. i thought, wow, what a week to have this happen. this is exactly what we have been talking about, of course, in a different context with a different person. this fundamentally is the same issue. >> whether it's reality or mr. teixeira, everyone else who does whatalleged -- trump gets a better deal from the department of justice than anyone in history. >> than anyone in history. even though in most organizations, of course, the higher up you are, the more responsibility you ha

mike barnicle and katty kay are with us. look at mike's chair. >>> in just hours former president trump is scheduled to appear in federal court in miami to face charges he misled investigators and mishandled classified documents after leaving the white house. there you are, mike. sit down. the 76-year-old former president is set to appear before judge jonathan goodman at 3:00 eastern time when he will be arraigned alongside his codefendant and aide walt nauta. donald trump was indicted last week on 37 felony federal counts. once trump arrives at the courthouse, he'll be processed and fingerprinted. it's not clear if a mug shot will be taken. the judge will also set bond and conditions of pretrial release, and trump will verbally enter a plea. a source tells nbc news attorneys todd blanch and chris kise will be representing trump at today's hearing. that's a new name. let's bring in state attorney for palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg for more on what we can expect. >> good morning. it's going quite a show at the courthouse today. otherwis

i was lucky a yeah, this, but i think that has to be all katty. this is only has to be. the expert says that the growing interest of professionals to emigrate to germany which faces the shortage of skilled labor is not a brain drain for the local health care system. you know, for heavy up what is that will not be a lack of professionals in brazil. if i put you to the fact that only a few people are one to emigrate files and i specific case of germany, it is really a small number compared to the number of health care work. s we have c is the stuck, you know, but i see my iris studies german 4 hours a day, 6 days a week. she gets a 500. you are a scholarship. she's now getting ready to take a language test in august. it will be the last hurdle before she packs her bags to move to germany. she's excited about the public green spaces. she also hopes to travel to berlin at the end of the year to fulfill her dream. that phone isn't the best swap for me. it's a matter of personal and professional fulfillment to be able to exercise my profession in another country. knowing that

katty kay, take all that in. we have to now confront and accept the fact that this stuff is only, for now, making donald trump stronger within the republican party. we'll see if a pile of indictments from georgia, january 6th, new york, if it hurts him. in the short term, he's painted himself as a martyr, a victim, and it is working within the primary. >> there is a poll coming out of wisconsin that shows the opposite, that shows biden's lead over trump growing. there are some good numbers, too, for the white house. i wrote a piece about this for the bbc, and this counterintuitive effect all of this is having on donald trump's standing in the primaries. what he is being able to do, in a way, it's almost like the more indictments there are, the more legal problems there are, he is managing to flip that to his supporters, to the base of the republican party, and beyond his base, and say, "look, you see? this is all proof that i'm the victim of a witch hunt from the democratic administration and from the department

special correspondent for bbc news katty kay and the founder of the conservative website the bulwark charlie sykes is with us this morning. >> charlie, again, i've gotten to the point now, i mean, obviously like a lot of people as concerned about the extreme wokeness, you know, over the past several years, college campuses, you know, people getting fired for saying things that should really have just started a debate. you could go on and on. people getting shouted on, the hecklers veto. but i'm at a point now, and i have been for about six months, if i get a newsletter and it says woke in the headline, i erase it immediately. seriously, it is the pet rock of 2023 politics. >> it's a chia pet. >> it was a thing a couple of years ago, but when you have the head of berkeley law school, when you have the head of yale, when you have the head of all of these elite universities going, come on, you guys have gone too far, like enough with the hecklers veto, there has been a correction that ron desantis -- and, by the way, when suddenly you have right wingers saying racist things about chick-

yeah, this, but i think that it has to be all katty. this is only has to be the expert says that the growing interest of professionals to emigrate to germany which faces the shortage of skilled labor, is not a brain drain for the local health care system. no for heavy airport is that will not be a lack of professionals in brazil. if i put you to the fact that only a few people want to emigrate. well, my specific case of germany is really a small number compared to the number of health care work us. we have ca my, our studies german, 4 hours a day, 6 days a week. she gets a 500, you're a scholarship. she's now getting ready to take a language test in august. it would be the last hurdle before she packs her bags to move to germany. she's excited about the public green spaces. she also hopes to travel to berlin at the end of the year to fulfill her dream. and that song is thought best. well, for me it's a matter of personal and professional fulfillment to be able to exercise my profession in another country. well, knowing that i'll be able

we have katty kay is with us, and former u.s. attorney and senior fbi official chuck rosenberg, an nbc news legal analyst and also with us, the host of "way too early," jonathan lemire. we're learning new details this morning about the two separate grand juries looking into former president donald trump's handling of classified documents after leaving the white house. first, nbc news has learned roughly two dozen secret service agents have been subpoenaed or have appeared before the federal grand jury in washington, d.c., they say the testimony took place in the past few months, meaning, not recently as the grand jury has been on hiatus, at the same time, "the new york times" reports a previously unknown federal grand jury in miami, florida, started hearing testimony in the classified documents case last month. and only a handful of witnesses have testified or are scheduled to appear. that includes one witness set to testify today. the paper cites people familiar with the grand jury's workings on this. "the new york times" also r

and as katty kay pointed out, his body language really does reflect that. he looks exhausted and he's sort of -- these little lies are coming out here and there, a smattering of lies here and a smattering of lies there. he is running for his life, running from jail time. jackie alameny thank you very much. we'll move to the big lie now, a major ruling from the supreme court which made it more difficult for the big lie to repeat itself in 2024. the case, moore versus harper out of north carolina centered on a radical theory known as the independent state legislature theory. it would have given state legislatures unchecked power over federal elections based on an extreme interpretation of the constitution's election clause. in a 6-3 ruling the supreme court rejected that anti-democratic theory with chief justice john roberts and justices brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett siding with the liberals writing the elections clause does not insulate state legislators from the ordinary exercise of state judicial review. john eastman, a legal adviser to donald trum

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welcome claire shipman and katty kay. welcome back to gma.hift to power? >> well, we shifted to power because essentially, george, women don't have nearly enough of it yet. we've been writing about women in leadership for a long time. statistics are alarming. only 10% of the fortune 500 ceo's are women, 27 out of 200 world leaders. we thought we would have made a lot more progress. i guess when we dug into power, we found something stunning. yes, there's bias. yes, there are hurdles. we also found women rejecting today's version of power. >> what does that mean? >> we don't like it. we don't like the ego. we don't like the hierarchy. we refuse it because we think it doesn't work with our life goals. >> you're redefining power? >> we're attempting to. women just walk away from it. >> katty, explain the distinction between power over and power to? >> yeah. this is probably the definition we found from researchers that men have a much more hierarchy view of power. they see it as a commodity. more for you is less for me. >> right. >> women, accor

katty brings up a great point. i have to keep bringing it up because, as we talk about the republican nomination, republicans have a choice here, do they want to win or do they want to lose? nay want to lose, i can let them know, keep backing donald trump. this news, and i think the indictment that's sure to come now from the justice department, is really going to hurt donald trump in the suburbs of atlanta, philly, detroit, milwaukee. you name it, maricopa county. where all of these swing voters are that decide elections. again, trump people say, it's fine. it's fine. they won't come out and say it but they like that he's a liar. they like that he lies to the fbi. they like that he lies to the doj. they like that he lies to everybody because they think, somehow, in some perverse, twisted logic, they think, somehow, that's sticking it to the libs, by being a liar constantly. living your entire life being a lie in public service. that's what they think. the problem is, and we're going to get to the debt ceiling in a

she and katty kay are out with a new book entitled the power code.um impact for women and everyone. i want to back into this, because there is actually a connection here. the theme of the book, we'll get to it in a moment, but you have some incredible findings, and i am jumping down to number three. power seems to corrupt men more than women. you found that researchers discovered this. why? >> you know that phrase power corrupts absolutely. the chants of women, that may not be true. women who rise to the top of their organizations managed to maintain empathy for people. women in leadership, up to 18% less likely to be charged with corruption than men in leadership. so the more women we get power to, perhaps less corruption will have around. >> the overall point of the book claire, which i love about redefining power. give us a sense of that theme here. >> essentially what we found is that men and women view power quite differently, men tend to view power as a hierarchical, more ego filled -- and this is been a term sociologist have used for a long ti

special correspondent for bbc news katty kay and white house correspondent for politico and coauthorhic implosion, killing all five people on board. >> it is a difficult day for all of us. it's especially difficult for the families. >> reporter: the navy tells nbc news that on sunday it detected an audio anomaly that appeared consistent with an implosion or explosion about the time the sub lost communication during the dive. on thursday a canadian team, using an rov discovered who debris fields roughly 1600 feet from the site of the titanic. >> essentially we found five different major pieces of debris that told us that it was the remains of the titan. >> reporter: the doomed mini sub rests at a death of more than 2 1/2 miles, where the pressure is hundreds of times greater than it is on the surface. >> it's one empire state building made of lead fitting on top of you at that level. >> reporter: overnight james cameron, himself a deep sea diving record breaker, criticized the oceangate sub's carbon fiber design. >> we didn't remember the lesson of titanic, these guys at oceangate did