. >> katty kay. >> is still. >> with us as well.olitics. >> podcast. which is amazing as well. >> so jim vandehei, you've actually written about axios, has actually written about this, which is they're sort of different camps that we have right now for leaders who want to take. charge of the democratic party and lead the fight against republicans and donald trump. talk about that. >> yeah. i mean, i don't know if carville is spot on in his analysis, like he's got to look at where the democratic party is right now, right? we have also have polls showing democrats have never been as a party more unpopular than they are at this moment. on top of that, they don't have much power, right? >> if you don't. >> control the senate. >> you don't control. >> the house. >> you don't control the. >> white house, you don't control the courts. there's only so many levers that you can that you can actually pull. so the debate inside the party is, do you accept that some of the things that. >> donald trump wants. >> to do directionally might. >> be.