katty kay?he legality of this? ever since 9/11 there has been a trend here for people to be prepared to give up civil liberties in the name of security, but i was just wondering whether you met people, you know, who knew about the program, within the police force who said we're not quite sure if this is really what we're meant to be doing? >> there were. it was interesting, there were people who said they felt uncomfortable, but those people didn't tend to be in the -- in the inner circle, the people who were directly involved in these programs. i mean, there's a close hold sort of a shudder of secrecy around a lot of what happens. the people who were directly involved, and we talked to a number of them, said almost to a person, look, we need to -- we need to be doing this. i mean, we have to be out in the muslim community because that's where the -- that's the community that is, you know, that's sending terrorists to attack us. and they compared it to, like, well, we would map drug dealing. we

and washington correspondent katty kay. you look rested to me. >> if everyone took a serious amount of time off in the summer, they, too, would look rested. the possum feeder needs you. >> people feeding eggplant parmesan. >> i'm canceling my vacation next year. >> i want to get your take on this. we have new developments out of libya. day after world leaders praised rebels for their surmg ge into tripoli, there is uncertainty filling the city. rebel forces claim they still control a majority of the capital of libya including green square, but the opposition acknowledges it faces a fierce fight to take over gadhafi's compound. this comes as one of gadhafi's sons, saif, who was believed to be captured, he doesn't look captured there. those are pictures from last night. he made an appearance in a hotel where the foreign press stays. gadhafi's heir and parent saying his father's regiare regime lur in to a trap. he spoke to a press roert in ep the back of a car. >> these are our people and we live here and we are going to win.

he said the governor "dithered" in asking for help. >> well, and it's the same point, katty kay.new york. we're talking about the response in new york city earlier this year huge snowstorm, and what happens? a slow response. >> right. >> you had people stranded, emergency vehicles not being able to get through, top aides to the mayor were away. again, that idea of dithering, notein as prepared as you can be. everybody stied that. they studied katrina, they studied that response and they were determined to avoid it this time. >> you could see mayor bloomberg in the press conference, surrounded by experts. he made sure he had all the right people out there, all of the meteorologists behind him to back him up and say you've got to get out. you've got to be thinking i remember how well cory booker did in that same snowstorm. you just had him on the program, and how poorly michael bloomberg came out, and overpreparedness and underpreparedness. but it's very different when you have three days warning, as opposed to what happened in japan, for example. imagine that. how is the country p

the bbc's katty kay. "the new york times" helene cooper and tim magazine's rick stengel. all of a sudden we have rick perry shaking up both the republican race and maybe the whole she bang. how about this for a notion? that we're looking at 1980 all over again. like ronald reagan, the werner dethroning the establishment, mitt romney in the way reagan pushed aside george bush 41. reagan found a way to play a big debate moment in new hampshire to make bush look too small for the role. >> i am -- for this microphone -- chris: democrats hope barack obama won't be like jimmy carter, whose economic times were so tough they got reagan elected and reagan's far right views weren't even in focus. could the same be true for rirk perry? if he were the republican nominee, would his controversial views get ignored? >> i'm not real sure you're a bunch of right wing extremists, but if you are, i'm with you. >> john is this what the republican parties wants? a guy wo -- who kids around and embraces the far right? >> certainly i think that the republican party right now is a very it logica

reporting from washington, at i am katty kay. gaddafi's family flees for algeria. is so far, there is no sign of the colonel himself. the u.s. east coast picks up the pieces after being hit by a deadly storm. and a modern-day gold rush. the prospectors, and digging. -- come digging. welcome to our viewers on pbs in america and also around the globe. today algeria has confirmed colonel gaddafi's family including his wife and two sons have arrived in the his -- in the country after fleeing from libya. colonel gaddafi remains at large. the rebels are 20 miles from his last stronghold. we begin with our middle east editor, jeremy bowen. >> these are the only portraits of colonel gaddafi you will see these days. the colonel relied on his family increasingly in the last months of power. his daughter said he would never step down. ayesha fled to algeria with her mother and two brothers, including hannibal. saif al islam has also disappeared from view. like his father, he is wanted by the international criminal court. according to information received from the bbc. anti-ga

reporting from washington, i am caddie k -- katty kay. rumors of the doubt the's whereabouts sweep the libyan capitol. >> the ceilings here are very high. walls are very solid. >> still at large, but still on the edge, gaddafi called on supporters to come out of their homes. and here comes irene. the east coast of the u.s. is bracing for this monster storm. welcome to our viewers on pbs in america and also around the globe. as rebel forces consolidate their hold on tripoli, a libyan television channel was broadcast another message from colonel gaddafi in which he calls for the city to be liberated. the rebels held their first press conference a few moments ago, announcing it their movement from benghazi to aaa. fighting there has continued all day, especially around colonel gaddafi's compound. >> descending into colonel gaddafi's underground fortress. a warren of tunnels that could have been his escape route. today rebel fighters were taking the tour. here is where colonel gaddafi's troops have been holed up. abandoned in a corner, some o