katy mcfarland with fox news as national security expert. a columnist she is the an cor for the deaf con 3 at fox. served in the nixon, ford, and reagan administrations. she aide to henry kissinger speech write are for secretary of defense weinberger. has run for office, for the senate. and generally someone who really knows the foreign affairs business. second jamie kurchic who i have known since he was here at yale as a student. he has become the classic foreign correspondent of the kind that we don't see much of anymore. he has been most recently with the radio free europe radio liberty. his publication list is -- i have to say unmatched in its wide range. the new republic weekly standard, wall street journal, new york times daily beast, the australian it's really something. he'll be talking mostly about his views on europe at the moment. and then in cleanup, batting position, founder of then constitute for the secularization of islamic society, and vice president of the world encounter institute. he has written on all things about the ko