in new jersey, steve katzman got one but wasn't even in town that day and he can prove it. else was driving his car. why should he have to pay for a moving violation someone else committed? >> i was frustrated and angry. it was an unfair burden that i thought was placed on me as the owner of the car. >> reporter: out of principle, he spent a small fortune, fighting the ticket and won. but in 24 states, big brother is watching the red. and another issue here. many of these states and cities actually have a private company running the red lights and that private company shares the revenue with the city. in some cases, these companies have actually lost their contracts because they were found to not be calibrating the lights properly and also because they were found to be, in some cases, paying off members of city council. so, there's a lot of controversy here across the country. s savannah? >> that ought to burn people up to hear that. tom costello, thank you very much. you support red light cameras, is that it? >> the speeding cameras are too pervasive perhaps. >> let's talk