if you want to kill somebody, come to kauai.80%, 90% chance of getting away with it. and i firmly believe that. >> there was never any point during this process where the file was just sitting on a shelf getting dusty. there's always something that was being done, another piece of evidence that was being tested, another witness that was being looked for. >> but you must have been ready to let it go at some points. you know, we can't do this. let's forget about it. >> that conversation happened at any number of times over the years. but at each time, we said, no, there's got to be a way to move this forward. >> and was larry's kind of constant input part of the thing that kept you going here? >> of course. i mean, none of us wanted to get that call saying, hey, larry's -- larry wants to see you right away. and he's not happy. >> when we spoke to larry in 2015, darren's trial was on the calendar for march of the following year. and the odds larry gave of that happening? >> i would say probably a little better than 50/50. >> but ev