>> south kaul in a large house with his family, his wife, and three children. >> a large house. is he a wealthy man? >> i would not say he is a wealthy man. because the whole family lives in the house they all chipped in to support the house. the income there is radically different from ours. his father earns $200 a month and feels that is a good salary. obviously their cost of living is different from ours. i'm not saying they're having an easy time, but the comparison is radically different. >> how did you get around? >> drove. >> what kind of car? >> well, it varied. usually it was a toyota van is the best way i can describe it. pretty beaten up and battered. the driving in afghanistan is sort of like bumper pool. it is not at all like the united states. a lot of honking. by alice thought we were about to have an accident. everybody just converges and shifts around to try to get through. >> how often were you personally afraid? >> you know, oftentimes i was afraid after the fact. there was a time when we were out after curfew early on in 2001. we were just so frantic to get b