nomination and put in somebody else, but i stuck by kavanaugh and therefore kavanaugh owed me. so he said he was very angry with justice kavanaugh for not having ruled, not having taken this case about purported election fraud and ruling to overturn the election because he thought he owed him a favor. the supreme court justices might be liberal or moderate or conservative, but all rule based on the evidence and the facts and based on what the constitution says. there were clearly not enough facts to back up the trump campaign that these states were -- had the wrong results and that there was fraud that could have resulted in the election being overturned. >> let's also play a little bit of your exchange when it comes to, of course, january 6th. >> i think it was the largest crowd i've ever spoken before. it went from that point, which is almost at the white house, to beyond the washington monument. it was -- and wide. and -- >> but if you could have waved your wand -- >> and it was a loving crowd, too. it was a loving crowd, i have heard that. many, many have told me, it was a

she is co-author of education of brett kavanaugh. kate, i begin with you.4500 or so that they received were actually referred to the white house layers in the trump administration. do we know what the white house team did with those tips and leads? >> we don't. that's one of the bigamist ruz that i think the senate democrats are hoping to solve. granted, the time frame for this entire inquiry was about suchl days. it was awfully short. it sort of hard to imagine that there was too much follow up just in the interest of time. not to mention we know that the president, don mcgann who mention is the white house counsel were eager to see then judge kavanaugh confirmed. there may not have been a will to do that. to be clear, we don't know what became of those tips once they reached the office of the general counsel there. >> what do we make of the revelations? not specifically for him but what should we take away from this whole process? >> i think like many aspects of our government, we have discovered yet another fault line that is exploited by donald trump. m

every interest in ensuring that kavanaugh the confirmed facts be.idn't do anything with the information because they did not want to know if there is anything negative about the nominee. >> this is all complete and speculation, the most relevant to the other 4,500 allegations here -- it doesn't mean there anything actually relevant. all the ones we heard that were completely fabricated and out to lunch like the vote in rhode island kind of thing. the senator was voted on his confirmation. they had the opportunity to review the tips. we spoke with many of this editors and they said if you saw the fbi reports, it would not make you think or hear they didn't look at the issues. they confirmed for them what was really going on, which was the fishing expedition, the clear campaign against the senator, and a lot of the situation there that made them more confident in that that the delegation where nonaccurate because it can taint information about the pressure campaign on people to keep people from testifying against ford who had information. >> shannon:

it was gorsuch, thomas, and kavanaugh. alito, no. maybe with the right people, but i think this is the moment if you want to see kilo, i cannot imagine there are five votes to keep kilo on the books. mr. malcolm: question back here? >> i have a question about 10 then and fulton and how they relate to each other. is there anyway we can understand what happened in fulton to be informed by what had just happened on the shadow docket with attendant -- with attendant? what is the relationship between those two cases and how the one might have impacted the other? >> in a broad generality the same theory holds in both cases. as soon as you give a secular activity permission, you have to give the religious activity that same status. people call this the most favored nation theory of the free exercise clause. a version of that happened in the fulton, where a secular exemption -- even if it only exists at -- as a matter of theory -- is good enough to require a religious exemption. mr. malcolm: anyone want to add to that? >> i think the court m

it was gorsuch, thomas, and kavanaugh. alito, no. maybe with the right people, but i think this is the moment if you want to see kilo, i cannot imagine there are five votes to keep kilo on the books. mr. malcolm: question back here? >> i have a question about 10 then and fulton and how they relate to each other. is there anyway we can understand what happened in fulton to be informed by what had just happened on the shadow docket with attendant -- with attendant? what is the relationship between those two cases and how the one might have impacted the other? >> in a broad generality the same theory holds in both cases. as soon as you give a secular activity permission, you have to give the religious activity that same status. people call this the most favored nation theory of the free exercise clause. a version of that happened in the fulton, where a secular exemption -- even if it only exists at -- as a matter of theory -- is good enough to require a religious exemption. mr. malcolm: anyone want to add to that? >> i think the court m

they understood their duty to be let's get justice kavanaugh across the finish line with 50 votes.fact, they have a duty to the country and the senate to do a fair background investigation. but the fbi allow edit self to be used as a pawn and a shield in this way by taking this hands-off, we just do what the client tells us view of investigations. i think it is incumbent on the senate to do a little bit more, and they want to. they've been really prodded by senator sheldon whitehouse, democrat from rhode island. but perhaps more important, how can we make this a better, more accurate, more reliable process going forward. >> yeah. now senator whitehouse and senator coons, both of who wrote to the fbi in august of 2019. >> isn't that -- >> i mean come on, they're just now getting an answer? yeah, now let's do something. let me ask you, what could congress have done then? >> well, what congress could have done then is to get more senators, and that would have been at the time more republican senators, to insist on a full investigation. the white house did only what it was forced to do

clearly justice kavanaugh would have gone along to say this whole thing is illegal.his whole thing -- i don't know where the other justices were on that. host: let's go to loretta joining us from cleveland, ohio. good morning. we will try one more time for beretta -- loretta. we seem to have lost her. what is the next issue that will follow the supreme court ruling? guest: figuring out how name image and likeness will work. the ncaa would like congress to revisit this topic and pass a federal law for president biden to sign into law that would create a uniform statute that would give the ncaa some control over name and image likeness over sponsorships and endorsement deals and create pretty debility. right now is a tough time for a compliance staff by universities because in theory they should be consulted by student athletes in regards to endorsement dealings, but some of them were announced within seconds of midnight, when it became possible under state law. it does not seem like that consulting is going on. i think what the ncaa most once is a federal statute, and

paul: talk about kavanaugh but roles are still pretty new. some cases where they voted with the chief and not the other three conservatives, two or three conservatives on any given case, they did so sometimes saying well, we get their argument and we are open to that but we don't want to do that in this case because we didn't need to. it's very striking to suggest that there could be future cases that go in a much more energetic conservative direction, what you make of those two justices? >> they are little more restraint, attuned, not overturning president unduly if it can be avoided, a little more patient. although public more originalist, more tied to the constitution than roberts is, little different for him as well and also differences between how they ultimately will on the merit versus what's known as a shadow dog, decisions to take up cases, a couple of denials of high-profile cases that the florist out of washington state not wanting to cater a gay wedding, a few others turned down with frustration expressed by the leader or such tho

he stood by him, therefore it, in donald trump's mind, brett kavanaugh should have stood by him, andvanaugh could not understand that. >> the book is entitled, let me put the cover back up on the screen "landslide, the final days of the trump presidency" the author, michael wolff, thanks for writing the book. thanks for joining us today. i would like to continue these conversations down the road. >> thanks. >> coming up, officials are revealing new details about an alleged plot to kidnap an american journalist in new york and extradite her to iran. >> and breaking news out of los angeles where britney spears just scored a major victory in court. like a planters cashew. what else can go from your car's cup holder to a crystal bowl and seem equally at home? i guess the most well-rounded snack isn't round at all. it's more cashew-shaped. planters. a nut above. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ monitor, check and lock down you money with security from chase. control feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. pssst! who loves... haribo goldbears. me! this one has juiciness like a strawberry. squishy and del

both that and also what were these allegations against brett kavanaugh? through freedom of information but heavily redacted. so are they sitting now in the biden administration's white house counsel office? are there copies at the fbi? the senators want to know and like to get the full copy of allegations and may want to investigate some of them themselves. not that it's going to remove him from office but senators feel like they were not given the full story. hallie, we reported at the time, because fbi officials were telling us privately this was a limited background investigation they were conducting at the behest of the white house. it wasn't a criminal investigation. they could only do the interviews the white house allowed them to do, the trump white house, right? so the question becomes now will the senate want to change that process? it's the senate's job to advise and consent on these supreme court nominations and they didn't get the information they wanted out of this. there were allegations floating around out there, that were not fully investi

and we know that donald trump's white house was going to try to get brett kavanaugh confirmed by any the fact that they were uninvestigated and i think that there is a good bit of the congressional inquiry that should go on now. >> and yes, don mcgann who was the white house counsel has not responded to the msnbc requests. and so, he has a lifetime appointment, and likely not impeached by the senate requiring a 2/3 vote, and should the senate come up with a provision to do their own background check for the supreme court nominee separate from the fbi, and whatever the politics of the day is? >> it is a great question, jeff, because we need institutional fixes, and one of the ways to figure out going better moving forward is by having certain procedural items that need to be put in place or laws that need to be passed. i don't believe he will be impeached, but there needs to be an assessment of the 4500 tips that came in about brett kavanaugh's suitability to be a supreme court justice, and it is to look at that information and compare it to the testimony that brett kavanaugh gave in

, saying that he thought -- he was especially disappointed in kavanaugh because when kavanaugh needed to be bailed out amid the sexual assault and harassment claims, trump had his back and decided to keep him as his nominee, despite pressure to drop him as a nominee, and therefore, kavanaugh should've bailed out trump after the november 2020 election. unbelievable. hey lisa, i've got a question for you, just as a reporter who's been around all lights, how incredible was it for you to witness this teeny kind of rock ribbed conservative republican from one of the more no republican families in our country, taking a swing at her republican leader in the house, denouncing him and supporting the actions of the speaker of the house? >> for it was a really remarkable moment given her family lineage and would a major force in the republican party the cheney family has been for so many decades. it's hard to see her motives first when you talk about republicans, you see they -- speculate about some kind of bid for president or something like that. it's hard to see how this fall plays particular

this all comes as brett kavanaugh has been on the bench since 2018.versial his nomination still is. one thing that's worth noting is justice brett kavanaugh has deny all the allegations from christine ford. >> it would be interesting to see how many of those tips the fbi considered credible. thank you very much for that reporting. >>> now to the white house where the administration is shifting to a more urgent tone as coronavirus cases surge among the unvaccinated population. this warning was issued. >> we're not out of the woods yet. you would want to make thoughtful positions to protect your health and the health of your community. we're at another pivotal moment in this pandemic. great to have you here. >> thank you forobviously, the s trying to get people's attentions. doctors are trying get their attention. what message do you think will get the attention of people not vaccinated yet. >> the vaccine does not have that same effect. we need to make sure we're promoting the vaccine to people. many of the folks that are experiencing some of the hesit

he thought -- he was especially disappointed in kavanaugh because when kavanaugh needed to be billed out amid those sexual assault and harassment claims, trump had his back and decided to keep him as his nominee despite pressure to drop him as his nominee. and therefore kavanaugh should have bailed out trump after the november 2020 election. >> all of it unbelievable. hey, letesa, i've got a question for you. just as reporter who's been around a while, how incredible was it for you to witness liz cheney kind of rock-ribbed conservative republican from one of the more notable conservative republican families in our country taking a swing at her republican leader in the house, denouncing him and supporting the actions of the speaker of the house? >> it was -- it was a really remarkable moment given her family lineage and, you know, what a major force in the republican party the cheney family has been for so many decades. you know, it's hard to see her motives. i think when you talk to republicans they see political motives here she's trying to raise her profile. they speculate about so

why was he so incensed with brett kavanaugh?augh owed him, essentially worked for him, and that when the time came he would deliver for him. giuliani threw out the election -- the election challenge and kept saying it doesn't matter that we're losing in court and they lost case after case after case because when we get to the supreme court it's in our pocket. you appointed these people and obviously will decide in your favor and trump understood this and accepted this. this was the quid pro quo. he had put them on the bench, therefore they would vote for him and particularly brett kavanaugh who he had put on the bench despite widespread opposition. he had stood by him so therefore, of course, kavanaugh would come through with him. that's how things work in trump world. >> well, it's a fascinating account of trump's world in those closing days and michael wolff, "landslide." the last days of the trump presidency. arizona want more time in leeway in the 2020 election results even though there was no problem with election fraud in

he thought kavanaugh should have been by his side and concluded that the election was rigged.to stop information coming out, anymore bloopers, anymore more bad information, anymore more reports about women and kavanaugh or beer and kavanaugh, now he's actually disappointed in this judge and disappointed in all the supreme court justices he appointed. they didn't deliver for him and that's what he expected. >> real loyalty is overturning an election. >> correct. >> carol, it's a phenomenal book. great reporting as always and it's wonderful to see you on set. >> thank you, guys, for such good questions. >> you're welcome. >>> all right. we have a fresh wave of american officials suffering from symptoms consistent with the mysterious havana syndrome. and now the cia is reviewing new clues. >>> ted cruz calling out democrats, texas democrats, for flying to d.c. to block a vote on voting restrictions. we're going to roll the tape on his history of political stunts. ♪ someone once told me, that i should get used to people staring. so i did. it's okay, you can stare. when you're a tw

and in the transgender bathroom case, kavanaugh, gulch, barrett and roberts join the three leftists inear the case. so what's going on? we turn to not only the host of fox news at night but our chief courtroom honcho shannon bream and shannon has an excellent column on this at foxnews.com. and, shannon, your take is that there is really -- it's not a 6-3 court. it's actually something closer to an italian parliament. there is like multiple parties in here or at least three of them. >> yeah. it seems that when you look at how things shook out this last season, this last term for the court, yeah, you could argue there is a 3-3-3. the liberal justices, sotomayor, breyer and kagan on one end. in the middle a lot of folks would argue you have got the chief justice, justify justice e roberts and kavanaugh. and on the other end justin alito, thomas and gulch. so that you know, i think that you have those three in the middle who we saw them go both ways a number of times. they are not, if conservatives want to call something a reliable vote for what they want to see justices do or they hope th

we know the fbi, however, did turn over relevant tips about kavanaugh to the white house. in terms of the revelations that there was a lot more information, a lot more needed follow-up on tips that didn't happen? >> i think this was an absolute cover-up by the white house. even trump admitted to a book author that kavanaugh was disgraced by virtue of this revelation and that he alone, donald trump alone, saved him to be on the supreme court. the idea that the fbi turned over relevant information from this tip hotline that was suppressed by don mcgahn the white house counsel i think is absolutely outrageous. and what the senate ought to do is they ought to demand to get those tips that were deemed relevant. they are to look at all of the evidence that's there, and they ought to decide whether or not it is worth going forward with a further investigation to determine, one, whether the fbi was manipulated by the trump white house in terms of this investigation and, two, whether a now sitting supreme court justice committed perjury at his confirmation hearing. >> that sounds s

(laughter) brett kavanaugh.was livid at his favorite judicial frat bro who voted with the mj ear y of the ex-president's ridiculous election challenges at the supreme court. the ex-president thought kavanaugh owed him a favor aft he stood by him when he was accused of sexual assault saying in an interview, where would he be without me. i saved his life. he wouldn't even be in a law firm, who would have had him. nobody. well that's not true. i'm sure he would have been welcome at the law firm of to bein, pj and squee, the boof will set you free, of course boof fans, big fans of the boof. of course the former president can't give a quid without hoping for a little oquo saying i'm very disappointed in kavanaugh. in receipt pro-- retrospect, he just hasn't had the courage he needs to be a great justice, i'm basing this on more than just the election. um, nobody brought up the election. that's like saying good evening, officer, i want you to know that i am very disappointed that you pulled me over and not just becaus

justice kavanaugh, equally important replacing justice kennedy.to a 17-year-old immigrant minor in u.s. custody, they allowed her to get an abortion in custody. justice kavanaugh wrote a fiery dissent in that case, saying that the government created a new right for unlawful immigrant minors to obtain abortion on demand. also an indicator that he would not be friendly to those who are seeking to protect the rights to abortion, and this court you need five votes to win. the three liberal justices would need justice roberts and justice kavanaugh or justice barrett or one of the others. that seems unlikely at this point. >> katie, i do want to ask you about another story because it is all happening as democrats are blasting the fbi over their inquiry into kavanaugh's background. from nbc news, a group of democratic senators demanding more answers from the fbi after the agency revealed new details about the limited scope of its supplemental investigation into brett kavanaugh's background when he was a nominee for the supreme court. jill tyson of the fb

and especially kavanaugh, who had had that incredibly tough fight.ho had been accused of all manner of sexual abuse and the president had stood by him. therefore, because he stood by him, the president expected kavanaugh and the other justices that he had appointed to deliver him the presidency. now, this was, of course, in any reading of the supreme court and indeed of american history, ridiculous. but right up until the court decided against him, this is what he believed. and when they decided against him, well done of course they were disloyal and unworthy of his appointment. >> michael, final question. and it kind of intersects with inside the journalism beltway where you and i have resided for quite some time. did you learn anything in realtime -- [laughs] that came close to tempting you to raise your hand and tell the nation or the wider world? because the malfeasance you ran across was outrageous enough, big enough, impactful enough to even violate a hall of their confidentiality agreement. >> what i know is in this book and i would say i wrot

how about brett kavanaugh? we are going to impeach him on women that admitted ultimately that nothing happened. they weren't even in the country, one of them. it was all a made up scam. they should be prosecuted. and they weren't. [applause] but with brett kavanaugh, they are screaming, we are going to impeach him, we are going to impeach him! and you know what, how does he get out of that? by voting for the democrats. bad thing. he went through what no other person i have ever seen go through. the hearing was the most vicious, horrible hearing i think in the history of our country. i don't think there has ever been anything worse. than new york city, state far-left democrats actually run for office promising to persecute me, my family, and my company without knowing anything about me. i have never heard of these people. we are going to get him. we are going to get trump. and she won. a lot of people running and she won. on the basis of , "we are going to get him." what did he do? i don't know, we will find not

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where would he be without me, meaning kavanaugh. who would have had him? nobody.aced, only i saved him. back with michael wolff. first of all that he's calling the guy he nominated to be on the supreme court totally disgraced, i mean it's fascinating. >> well, it's just that he lives in a quid pro quo world. and he put him on -- not only did he put him on the court which would have been enough. if i put you on the court you should be loyal to me. >> just like sessions was supposed to be his attorney general. >> exactly. but here's a guy who he felt he rescued. because he got into trouble, he saved him. so double. he couldn't believe that at the end of the day the justice kavanaugh didn't say you won the election. >> you write about his life down in mar-a-lago, and i want to read that out. you said trump has his dinner here most evenings. he appears just as the patio has filled at which point everyone stands and applauds. often when melania is here they eat at a table roped off at wh which everyone looks at them like zoo animals. you say trump conducts most of his

. >> justice kavanaugh. >> your brief says time place and manner to not violate section 2, end quote and that will put pressure on the word ordinary. can you tell us how courts are to distinguish ordinary regulations from extraordinary regulations? >> i think the way the court in a line of cases and in crawford. this is not some mystery. we have a long history about how people go about voting. they show up and that's not an ordinary. where the other side says, you could never have a system that requires anybody to leave their house. they claim they can't find the precinct because of sose economic disparities or mail pockses which means the state needs to allow partisan operatives to collect the ballots. if that is true, the only system that would satisfy their test is something where the government is sent house to house to collect the ballots. and that can't come within a rational definition of the usual voting where you register and cast your vote. that is not a difficult burden when 99.8% of minorities were able to find the right precinct. >> you said that the test can take accoun

but with brett kavanaugh they're screaming "we're going to impeach him" every time, and do you know what? how does he get out of that by voting for the democrats. so it's a very sad thing, and he went through what no other person i have ever seen go through. that hearing was the most vicious, horrible hearing i think in the history of our country. i don't think there's ever been anything worse than that. in new york city and state far left democrats actually ran for office, promising to prosecute me, my family, and my company, without knowing anything about me. i never even heard of these people. they knew nothing about me. we're going to get him. we're going to get him. we're going to get trump. and she won. she won. a lot of people running, she won on the basis we're going to get him? what did he do? i don't know but we'll find something. how would you like this? they are in sergio marccione search of a crime and to them it did not matter whether any laws had been broken. the crime was opposing the radical left democrat party. this is lawless behavior, it's a political persecution like

this line was broken in the kavanaugh debates. points memo that mckarth ii was referring to the time that protesters pushed past the police line and reached the doors of the supreme court. meanwhile, another vocal critic of the select committee is now revealing he had advance warning that violence could break out on january 6th. in an interview with slate congressman mo brooks of alabama admitted that on the monday before the insurrection, "i was warned that there might be risks associated with the next few days. and as i aconsequence of those warnings i did not go to my condo. instead i slept on the floor of my office. and when i gave my speech at the ellipse i was wearing body armor." he said, "that's why i was wearing that nice little windbreaker, to cover up the body why armor." in other words, congressman brooks knew there was a risk of violence that day and yet he still incited the mob. >> today is the day american patriots start taking down names and kicking ass! >> i'm joined now by congresswoman stacey plaskett delegate t

it was brett kavanaugh who was the justice most often in the majority. second, there was no pretense of judicial deference by the court this time. there was a time when judicial conservatism was a deference to elected officials. we do not see that this year. as i went through the list of cases we are talking about, in almost every instance, the government lost, with the court repeatedly striking down federal and state statutes. i think it makes it a very different kind of conservatism and certainly has implications for the future. finally, as we begin talking about this term, my own caution against generalizing from a small sample. we all learned the risk of generalizing from a small sample. i was concerned by the generalizations i saw in the media that dahlia was referring to. after all, this is only one term of the supreme court. justice barrett did not participate in oral arguments in the october session. she participated in about 40 cases. some of those are not controversial at all. i think it is the next term when the supreme court is deciding cases

kavanaugh was certainly big but this was massive, and i think we have an opportunity to build on it, to build on the sentiment that was expressed in the fall against barrett. and and i think that progressives have to be hounding the white house and senators and letting them know that these are important issues court reform, and in terms of what we know about the filibuster, that's where we are now. but with a mass movement, i truly believe that we can actually get it done. and i've worked on many issues and i will tell you, unless there is a push from the field, from the constituents, it doesn't happen. i don't know if that fully answers your question. i can talk about several administrations but i hope that answers your question. >> let's talk about a time frame here. we're going to have a democrat controlled government for two years at a minimum, and i feel like you have to operate in that mindset if you're trying to push something through because the senate could flip or the house could flip in 2022, so do you think two years is enough time to make a big push on these issues and e

it appears justice kavanaugh is trying to probe the position in the middle of the court.t may well be a position he is happy to have, and to play that kind of a rural -- a role. in a different way, justice kagan might have played that role, but she is part of the three, not the six. one cautionary note, certainly, from some quick commentary you see, now the court has three liberals and three conservatives and three sort of in the middle, that does not make that group of six other than anything but very conservative. we three justices on the court, justices thomas, alito, and gorsuch, any one of whom would be the most conservative justice on almost any court for the last 75 years. the other three, chief justice and justices kavanaugh and justice barrett, we will see how they play out. they are very conservative by any objective measure. just coming back to millis is very good to look ahead to next term, we will learn a lot about how these justices lineup on hot button issues. a year from now, asked me the same question. we might have better information. >> turning to melis

we all went to school with a brett kavanaugh and worked in a cubical next to a brett kavanaugh in ours completely white privilege. you see this man who is able to talk about beer and things like that. we were looking at a period of what was almost like a week, you know, when we were going through his confirmation, et cetera. and this was a lifetime appointment. so i wish, you know, that i were able to breeze through the process in a job, something specifically for a lifetime. and, i mean, listen, at the root, i was good at this, right? >> that's kind of the point. what we go through for basic jobs, he didn't have a lot to go through. i don't want to step on your point but we're running out of time. did you have something before i move on to ellie? >> no. >> i echo your point. i'm sure what you went through at the root was more than this. what are your thoughts year? >> brett kavanaugh has a history of unexplained gambling debts. he lied during his confirmation hearing. he likely lied about his high school yearbook. he has 83 ethics complaints that were thrown out against him because t

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. >> they loved him because he went after brett kavanaugh. you teach due process.rett kavanaugh and made these inflammatory accusations night after night and zero evidence and they ate it up. >> yeah. i think that this became addictive. the cable appearances really overwhelmed him. before these appearances ever happened, his life was already falling apart. he had become in debt for millions of dollars. a debt that he couldn't cover. what he's being accused of in california is moving client funds around to cover costs and defrauding them. >> trace: actually taking money from clients that, you know, who were in very bad shape themselves. he took the money to cover his very high lifestyle. his lawyers say "he cannot go anywhere in public without inducing and subjecting himself to vitriolic comments and abuse. this would defer anybody in his shoes from engaging in similar conduct." that's his lawyers say that is enough. final word. >> the new york prosecutors are asking for eight years, which is absurd when you look at other cases. but this is devastation that is compl

now, you know, pete, it was fine to obstruct justice when the anti-brett kavanaugh thousands of themcended on the capitol every single day harassing senators, trying to shut down the confirmation process of brett kavanaugh. that was great, actually. they were cheered as heroes. these people are being treated as hardened criminals. a lot of nonviolent offenses, most of them first time offenders this has amounted to a political persecution trump supporters by biden justice. >> pete: you have political prisoners on their hands no ability to appeal waiting on a justice system that treats them far differently than many people we see across our society. julie kelly, thank you for your time and reporting on this. >> thank you. >> pete: keep up on it. >> thank you. >> pete: republican senator of character tom cotton a member of the judiciary committee. senator, thank you so much for being here. i appreciate it i'm tempted to ask you about your lego habits or of that your kids. we will stay away from that this evening. but i will -- unless have you something substantive to share. january 6th.

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kavanaugh, neil gorsuch, and amy coney barrett over the election votes. the past few days about mandatory vaccinations. president biden says he supports local mandates. but there is considerable resistance from critics to that which brings us to a lawsuit in indiana over the state university's requirement for students and employees, correspondent aishah hasnie has details tonight. good evening, asia. >> this is among the first lawsuits of its kind in the country it could set the precedent here. eight indiana university students filed a federal lawsuit against the school over its vaccine mandate. iu requires that all staff, students and faculty be fully vaccinated before returning to campus in august. today, a judge was looking into whether or not to issue a preliminary injunction that would temporarily stop this mandate from going into effect originally the school also wanted proof of vaccination but the state's attorney general todd rokita says that policy clearly runs afoul of state law because of a new state ban on vaccine passports. in a state though,

i meant alito, not kavanaugh. they're both so equally bad, it's hard to imagine which is worse. thank you for fighting the good fight. >>> up next on "the reidout" as the suppression session continues in texas, the state's republican attorney general is trying to instill fear into black voters setting high bail and the potential of 40 years in prison, 40 years, for 62-year-old hervis rogers who waited more than six hours to vote and said he had no idea that he wasn't allowed to under the jim crow era rules. his attorney joins me next. >>> plus lying about the big lie. trump's lawyers are hauled into court and pretend they have no role in spreading misinformation about donald trump's defeat. >>> plus cheering on sickness and death. "the reidout" continues after this. "the reidout" continues after this now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer. ♪ ♪ i feel free to bare my skin yeah, that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand nothing on my skin, ♪ ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything. ♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clea

justice brett kavanaugh wrote that there was a "relentless, determined effort to rid the jury of black months later, curtis flowers was released on bail. he walked out of jail with a monitor on his ankle, and his sisters on his arms. >> how are you feeling right now? >> flowers: i feel good. i'm happy i'm out. >> alfonsi: for the first time in 23 years, he was out. >> flowers: and i'm telling you, i felt like i was floating. i was just ready to go. >> alfonsi: in september, the ankle monitor came off. the mississippi attorney general's office dismissed all charges against curtis flowers. it wrote that, "it is in the interest of justice that the state will not seek an unprecedented seventh trial of mr. flowers." in november, doug evans, the man who prosecuted curtis flowers six times, sat down with us in his office for a rare interview. why did you prosecute him again and again? >> doug evans: because i knew he was guilty. and the families knew he was guilty. and the families deserve justice. >> alfonsi: but what about now that those witnesses have changed their stories? >> evans: i don

it is worth remembering when both gorsuch, and brett kavanaugh and amy coney barrett were nominated, millions were spent from dark money operations on behalf of her nominations. millions were spent on television commercials, we don't know who put up that money. because the laws do not require disclosure of that. now they do require disclosure of money donated to campaigns themselves. but as we all know, lots of money is spent in this country that is not technically given to campaign committees, but given for political purposes, including the confirmation of supreme court nominees. well the people who gave millions of dollars to support the nomination of gorsuch, of kavanaugh, of barrett, they got what they paid for today for sure because they got the supreme court results they wanted and we still don't know who they are. >> let me as bring into this conversation our supreme court analyst joan biscubic. i was in the middle of a question to gloria so let's finish that as we got that second opinion in and turn back gloria to the arizona voting decision. as dana said, you probably have s