kavita patel, who served as health policy adviser during the obama administration. mike, couple of things we're learning about that the president is expected to unveil tonight. mandatory vaccination move for federal workers, that is significant.

kavita patel, clinical physician, former senior policy aide during the obama administration.s on a non-resident fellow at brookings. all right, doctor, what is the truth about ivermectin, including but not limited to the use in humans it's been approved for? >> yeah, so brian, ivermectin is a medication that we have used in humans to treat parasites. it's also been used, as you know, in animals. that's unfortunately, where many current people have tried to get their ivermectin. i have prescribed it, limited cases, people who have had parasites from travel abroad, other presenting symptoms and the evidence -- there have been several trials, very large trials, in fact, brian, looking at the potential for ivermectin in use in treatment in covid, a large one conducted in india as well as several in the united states, all of them have found and resoundingly that there is no benefit from the use of ie ver medical care tin. you still see from several prominent physicians who have put up very large kind of websites, facebook ads and have done a great job spreading misinformation that

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kavita patel thank you so much for joining us tonight.g that moment today of the president getting the booster, and the message that sense to people, especially people his age, 78 years old to get the booster is a very strong message. >> yes lawrence, literally in minutes he probably did more to get americans to act and talk to the doctor, and hopefully get people get vaccinated for the first time, than many of us have tried to do over the last 19 months. it's incredibly effective, and he used it the way he should. raised his sleeve, and kind of modeled good behavior. so i was really happy to see him come up publicly, really excited when we could have the regency j&j recipient do the same thing. hopefully we could see that soon. >> what do we know about side effects about the third shot? >> great question. side effects of the third shot closely mimic side effects of the first and second shot. you heard the president even say, i really didn't have any side effects with my first and second shots, and i'm hoping i don't for my third shot. bu

and others, and do the right thing or get out of the way and let others do it. >> mike memoli, kavita patel, thank you. mike, i know i'll see you later this evening ahead of the president's speech. dr. patel, thank you for your time. appreciate it. >>> something that's developing as we speakers a flight in the air right now carrying 200 people, including americans, coming from kabul to doha. this is the first evacuation flight since u.s. forces left. we've got nbc's raf sanchez in qatar. molly hunter is in pakistan. bring us up to speed. we understand the flight minutes before we came on the air lifted off. it is headed your way, frankly. who is on it? >> reporter: hallie, about 25 minutes ago, that qatari airlines taking off from kabul airport. it is a three-hour flight, assuming they fly direct through iranian air space. we are expecting that plane to touch down some time around 1:00 p.m. eastern. as you said, there are 200 people on board that plane, give or take. we don't know exactly how many americans are on there. we do know the state department has been saying there are about 100 am

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kavita patel, a physician who served as policy director in the obama white house. she is also an msnbc medical contributor. also joining us, senior white house reporter for nbcnews.com, shannon pettypiece, and nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk is in new york city for us. thank you all for being with us. despite american's broad access to the vaccine, covid deaths have reached an average now again 1,900 a day. johns hopkins reports that more than 675,000 americans have died from this virus. but less than 64% of the total population is vaccinated. what are we not doing here? what are we getting wrong? >> chris, unfortunately what we're getting wrong is this is sort of a social network phenomenon. you're seeing states that are incredibly highly vaccinated that are experiencing not just their peaks, but their declines. and places with low vaccination rate, it's rip roaring. pacific northwest, tennessee, idaho, it is just continuing to be this surge that doesn't end. and it does have a lot to do with once communities start to form this kind of attitude and opinion a

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kavita patel. dr. patel, great to have you back.s you saw from a reporter in florida, how concerned are you about the impact the governor's threat of fines will have on public health across the state? he is, it seems more preoccupied with finding the local leaders, local community leaders trying to do what they can to prevent the spread of the pandemic. >> yeah, ayman, it's concerning not just because of the threat impact on what local leaders are trying to do but sends a confusing message to the entire state if not the whole country because it throws into what could be just a very well organized well communicated effort to get people vaccinated to get treatment where appropriate, to help the health care workers trying to take care of all these patients, that does not have to be that complicated. these issues, these tensions play out and unfortunately dominate when i would love to see lawmakers, teachers, officials, doctor, people such as you and me talking about what can we do to stay healthy and prevent the next surge but instead

kavita patel.n & johnson news because to me the fine print of this study is the two month issue. >> right. >> does it turn out that basically the johnson & johnson vaccine like the pfizer, like the moderna was best designed as a two-dose regimen but we just went with the one dose for now? >> yeah, chuck, that's actually exactly how i would kind of take that data, granted as you mentioned they will be submitting this data to the fda. it will be interesting to see if they actually offer that two-dose regiment as the initial series of vaccines to your point and then they did also release data today that showed that five-month after a single dose it produced even 12 fold higher antibodies than that first original dose. you can imagine dose one, two months later dose two and then let's say four to six months later a, quote/unquote, booster dose. but i think, chuck, you're right and by the way that maps to what we do with other types of viral vaccines that we have two doses separated by several months an

kavita patel, thank you both for being with me this morning. >>> and today at noon eastern, dr. anthony fauci joins "andrea mitchell reports" to talk about the booster rollout across the country and the time line for kids that we've been discussing this morning. make sure to tune in right here on msnbc. >>> and minutes from now we'll see top pentagon officials once again testify under oath on the withdrawal from afghanistan, but this time before the house armed services committee. here you can see defense secretary lloyd austin on his way into the building this morning. there you see him. joining me now with a preview of what we might hear, aileen cooper, lieutenant douglas former deputy national security adviser for iraq and afghanistan. kori schake, the director of foreign and defense policy at the american enterprise substitute, she served on the national security council for president george w. bush, and an msnbc international affairs analyst. thank you all for being with me. general, yesterday's headline was largely the discrepancy between advice officials say they gave the

kavita patel. good morning, doctor. thank you for being here. dr. ake about the cdc's move, dr. walensky's recommendation that those working at risk jobs being able to get the pfizer shot. >> yeah. good morning to both of you. kendis, i think it was the right outcome, wrong process, because it really was a very -- it started with the fda's advisory committee where there was, you know, a lot of conversation, and we didn't know whether the advisory committee would allow anyone to have any boosters. that was the potential outcome. so i think what the director said in that clip is accurate. there is scientific data that shows it. health care workers aren't getting -- for example, health care workers or teachers, they're not necessarily getting infections because we're working in hospitals and clinics, but we're human like everyone, investigated infected and taken out of the work force and then we're seeing an outbreak. this is one of those tough situations where the cdc had an obligation to look at why the fda decided to look at what they did and make a

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kavita patel. there's something i want to understand.iden announced boosters would be rolled out in september for everyone. it was covered as some sort of setback, that the science didn't back that immunity suggested we all needed it, but does the president have an argument to make about keeping immunity at the 90%, 95% that it is right after you get your shot? are these breakthrough infections that are making opening back up so challenging an argument of boosting people ahead of where they've been recommended to do so? >> yeah, you bring up a good point, nicole, and it's not that the president was trying to get us to 90% to 95%. he was simply relaying what the data that his chief medical advisor, dr. fauci and dr. walensky and others were showing him where if you do boost people when their antibodies decrease and get them back to the 90%, 95% level, they can have that protection against the delta variant and it can provide a decreasing reproductive rate. doesn't affect the virus itself but it affects the ability of the virus to replicat

kavita patel. glad to have you both with us. maura, the spike in patients, what are health officials doing to get people vaccinated and slow the spread there? >> reporter: doctors here in ohio are hoping they have reached the peak of the surge around the delta variant. we're seeing cases drop here, but obviously the hoitalizations and deaths will come for months, the say, and nearly everyone in the hospital they're seeing is unvaunvaccina so this is something they're up against in ohio as only 50% of the adult population is fully vaccinated, the governor in the state putting together yet another lottery to encouge young people to win school sclor -- scholarships. what we're seeing is even though they're relatively healthy, many more are in the hospital. they're needing ventilatorsnd respiratory bypass. doctors are really emphasizing that the fir and second rounds of the vaccine, getting fully vaccinated at least as a baseline, is really important as variants continue to rise. i spoke to the senator in ohio, and here's our conver

. >> doctor kavita patel, always great to have you on the program. thank you so.erything that you do. coming up, amid the chaos during the u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan, a story of freedom and hope told in moving images. when the 11th hour continues. the 11th hour continues i've been telling everyone... the secret to great teeth is having healthy gums. crest advanced gum restore. detoxifies below the gumline... and restores by helping heal gums in as little as 7 days. crest. the #1 toothpaste brand in america. nbc news pentagon correspondent has more. >> among the chaotic scenes from the withdrawal in afghanistan, injuring images of the war's most vulnerable, the children. a baby handed over the airport wall into the arms of strangers. u.s. soldiers cradling newborns, and perhaps one of the tenderest images, this little girl, exhausted, asleep on the cold metal floor of a c-17, snuggled in the jacket of airmen nicholas barron. >> after we had initially taken off, there was a general sense of calmness and relief that swept through. you saw the small children, th

kavita patel who served in the white house during the obama administer. and the executive director of the berman bioethics university at johns hopkins university. welcome to you all. dr. jha, i want to go around the horn with all three of you and get your predictions, what you expect to hear today from the cdc. dr. jha? >> thanks for having me back. what i expect to hear from the cdc is very much a mirroring of what we got from the fda. people over 65, a large number of people who are at high risk for complications, and people with substantial exposure in the workplace. when you tally up the numbers, it will be a very large number of americans, potentially a majority of americans who will become eligible, the majority of adults will become eligible for this booster. >> dr. patel, what do you expect today? >> and also some clarity. i think the role of the advisory committee of the cdc is to put more granularity in what the fda gave, for example which conditions should clinicians consider at high risk for severe covid, then things that honestly, yasmin, we'

kavita patel, msnbc contributor and brookings physician and fellow. thank you for joining us on this. i want to read for you a quote from "the new york times" talking about how a lot of republican governors now angry over these mask mandates and vaccine mandates, and here is what they say. several republican governors vowed to go to court to challenge the constitutionality of the rules that affect two-thirds of american workers, setting the stage for one of the nation's most consequential legal battles over public health since republicans sued to overturn the affordable care act. give me a reaction, kavita, to some of the outrage over these mandates. >> yeah, yasmin. look, i'm not shocked that there's outrage because it is fully expected when we've seen such outrage over something as simple as asking people to wear masks in certain situations. i am truly and especially having worked in the white house, we knew that this was going to come with a ton of resistance. what is kind of shocking though in some sense is the combination of what's happened in ou

kavita patel, who served as health policy adviser during the obama administration. to unveil tonight. mandatory vaccination move for federal

kavita patel former policy director of the obama white house., give us the school on the pfizer vaccine. you can hear how excited i am. what is the timeline for when we can actually get our kids these shots because sign me up. >> yeah, the date that a lot of people are talking about right now is halloween, but that all depends on how quickly pfizer gets that application in and they said they plan to start doing that by the end of this month and then how long the fda takes to review it. there have been differing reports about how long that could be from as short as three weeks which would be really fast to perhaps four to six weeks. we will just have to see how long all of that deliberation takes, but scott gottlieb who is on the board of pfizer, former fda commissioner this morning on cnbc was saying end of october, early november could be what we are looking at for down to age five. for parents of even younger kids like me we are waiting for more data and that's supposed to come in within a month or so. >> halloween, my favorite holiday. dr. pa

kavita patel, former obama white house health policy director and msnbc medical contributor. dr. patel, good to see you this morning. there has been this conversation, this week, we had dr. fauci on the show a couple of days ago, coming out in support of boosters. we heard both pfizer and moderna say while the vaccines are effective, they do wain after a period of time, boosters probably are necessary. so what will this advisory committee, this panel be weighing today. >> yeah, look, willie there is one question that already has been posted. the only question to the advisory committee today ahead of the fda meeting and it states do you believe the data is sufficient from pfizer to approve for a booster vaccine ages 16 and up? yes or no? that tells you everything you need to know. it points to the fact that pfizer submitted an application for booster 16 and up, there is a lot of controversy about whether 16 to 60-year-olds really need the booster, does the data support it? that's not what's ahead of the fda, they have it take action on what the manufacturer requested. what we're g