. >> so you're saying that kavoos says two to three months because he was including the year-long program? >> right. i would imagine if you include outlyre waits, people waiting for reasons probably not related to bed availability and but for reasons very distinct to people, we have some folks that wait very, very long for other reasons, that have nothing to do with bed availability. if you include those people in the wait timing it would make the wait times seem so much longer. >> so jill nielsen, our conservator, told us -- sent me a chart. she also couldn't access very much useful or reliable data. but she said i have a point in time, march 22nd, 2019, count of all the people conserved in san francisco. and of those 24 people, 22 of them had been waiting for a step-down bed for over 60 days. so how does that compare with this data and this chart? >> i would have to look and see what she was talking about. acute treatment bed which is not any of these categories. so people who are waiting for an i.m.d. or mental health rehabilitation, that wait time is long. too long. >> okay. so that's