lift-off. >> but kawasaki is more than a vc. he's an evangelist. >> and it has turned out insanely great. >> one of the first apple employees to promote the mac computer back in the day. now a shameless self-promoter with more than 300,000 twitter followers and ten books to his name. his latest, "enchantment: the art of changing hearts, minds and actions." one of the blushes for guy's new book calls it the best since dale carnegie wrote "how to win friends and influence people." guy kawasaki joins me with kim worley of yahoo! kim mcnicholas of forbes. you laughed when i called you a shameless self-promoter, so we're off to a good start. let me start with just the current news, pandora. you were very, very, very early to pandora. >> yes. or very fortunate. >> yes, you were. why? why were you so early to pandora? what did you recognize? >> somebody working for the technology ventures at the time, we're an early-stage venture firm and bank at the time, recognized this concept that, you know, people wanted to find music. and when th