. >> i want to bring kay in, though, kay alford, because you guys are doing things internationally. i know that's really big on, high on your agenda. do you think that we need to sort of the policies that we're talking about here using the tax code to effect some sort of change, that maybe we're not even thinking large enough? maybe we can think bigger and larger outside this box? >> yeah. i think that doors that are closed to us here in the united states are open to us around the world. and in july there is a delegation of 100 coming from botswana and they're bringing their businesses to talk to our businesses so we can see where joint ventures, where mutual interests can coincide. and then in november, we're having our pan african entrepreneurs conference, and people are coming from all over the world to see what contracts we may have, contracts they may have to work together. >> where are these conferences going to be and the date? >> they're going to be in atlanta july 19 through the 21st and november in houston, 19 through 21st. >> if i may? >> sure. >> there is a pattern among

kay debow alford now, is that right?inaudible] >> executive vice president of national black chamber of commerce, also cofounded nbcc in 1993, on her business over several years and administration with the minority chamber of commerce also as an owner of a successful franchise and independent video stores, earned a national and international respect and corporate circles for her stewardship of the chamber's signature annual convention in addition to their responsibilities, for the organization, personnel budget, administration, newsletter and event planning. she supervised every aspect of the world's largest and most influential convention dedicated to african-american business development. kay debow alford. [applause] >> thank you. that was good. that was perfect. >> thank you very much. u.s. black chamber, toya powell, director of governmental engagement at the u.s. black chamber focusing on advocacy, access to capital, we've heard that already, contracting, training, chamber development to promote economic empowerment