i worked with senator kay bailey hutchison. to this day i still believe that by saying no to amnesty, by making a strong commitment to border security that there is a create awe could 21st-century guestworker program. i proposed it eight years ago. it is an idea whose time will come. waslieve ronald reagan right when he said a nation without borders is not a nation. ourselves tot border security and enforcing the rule of law. economy continues to get back on its feet, i really do believe that parts of the long-term solution is a modern guestworker program. can operate as a public and private partnership. is a plan that i believe someday we will return to. it reflects the commitment to the rule of law. that honors system those that would like to come into the country temporarily, make a contribution and come home. >> he said no amnesty. what does that mean? no past citizenship? believe that we should not reward people with citizenship whose first act of this country was a violation of the law. i continue to hold that view. 20 of

i worked with senator kay bailey hutchison to craft what i thought was a principal non-amnesty 21st century guestworker program that frankly had an awful lot of people at every end of the spectrum very intrigued. to this day, i still believe that by saying no to amnesty, making a strong commitment to border security, there is a way that we could, working with private sector firms, create a 21st century guestworker program. i proposed it eight years ago. i still believe it's an idea whose time will come. i think that ronald reagan was right when he said a nation without borders is not a nation. we have to commit ourselves to border security. we have to commit ourselves to enforcing the rule of law. as this economy continues to get back on its feet, i really do believe that part of the is a modernlution 21st century guestworker program that can operate as a public and private partnership between the federal government and many private placement firms. i believeplan that someday we will return to, and i think it reflects the american people's commitment to the rule of law and also commitment t

and they indicted kay bailey hutchison, senator, acquitted. delay also. gwen: and tom delay. thank you, everybody. we do have to go. but not with sending our condolences to the family of former vermont senator jim jeffords who passed away this week. he was 80 years old. for more on how one man tipped the senate, log on right after we go off the air to the live stream of our "washington week" webcast extra or find it at pbs.org/washingtonweek. you can keep up with daily developments with me and judy woodruff on "the pbs newshour" and we'll see you again here next week on "washington week." good night. >> corporate funding for "washington week" is provided by -- prudential. brigham and women's hospital. additional funding is provided by the annenberg foundation, the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to pbs stations from viewers like you. thank you. erertztzerer

it went after senator kay bailey hutchison in 1993 for misconduct as state treasury.fter house speaker tom delay in 2002. his conviction was overturned by the state court of appeals. now it is going after governor rick perry for threatening to veto state funds to an office run by a democrat. she refuseed to resign following her arrest for d.w.i. perry defended his veto threat yesterday on fox news sunday. >> the public lost confidence in her and i did what every governor has done for decades which is make a decision on whether or not it was in the proper use of state money to go to that agency and i vetoed it. that is what the rule of law is about, shannon. >> as we have said all along it is not about the veto. we believe we have the right to veto. it was his decision to veto. it was about the intimidation before the veto, about him using the veto as a coercion tactic to get her to do something she didn't want to do which was quit her job. >> the indictment is coming under attack from all sides of the political spectrum. law professor turley wrote it does not make for

the law decided to include a provision that i worked on with kay bailey hutchison. passing that bill was a critical step in protecting women. there is more to be done. report found 57% of mass shootings involve domestic violence. that is why last july i introduced, along with the senator, the domestic violence and stalking victims protection act. our commonsense bill would help protect stalking victims and keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. stalkers --e that many states are starting to do this. one in six women have been stocked in their lifetime. stalking is often the first step in a pattern that: eights and physical violence. the department reports that 76% of women who were murdered by intimate proper -- i intimate partners were stopped by their partners. right now people who aren't married and haven't either live together or had a child together are covered under the current definition of intimate partners. --eful trouble because despite what we committed in domestic violent crime been subject to restraining order. many states have already expanded

attorney by senators john cornyn and kay bailey hutchison. >> what's -- what's his defense here otherhan going out saying i think i did the right thing? >> well, he can say that for a long time but that only lasts so long. his defenses are actually working pretty well right now. if you can consider the audience are republican primary voters in iowa, new hampshire and south carolina. it also has a limited shelf life. i don't want to practice law without a license here. but everybody here knows that he can say whatever he wants about what a sham indictment this is, right up until the time his legal team files a motion probably as early as next week to dismiss the charges or have the indictments quashed. if a judge denies that motion, then all of a sudden his entire narrative is out the window and he is going to be forced to explain what he did and in a much more serious way than just blowing it off by claiming it's some partisan witch hunt. >> harold cook from texas with us on "the ed show." still ahead, paul ryan hopes to avoid a chilly reception in the sunshine state. plus, keith ablo

. >> any time you hear travis county think back to the prosecution of kay bailey hutchison collapsedn the first day of trial. tom delay that destroyed his political career and overturned but destroyed his career. one degree of separation because it was brought by an independent prosecutor who is a guy who is not a particularly political guy. we don't have in front of us all the information the grand jury does. but the history is there. that this is a very political town. and this is come under almost unanimous criticism from republicans and some democrats like david axelrod. >> i dodged that bullet. >> point out that national democrats are laughing this off. it is really truly hard to imagine that this isn't kick backs or corruption. we don't have all the facts, but really if there is nothing behind closed doors, it is his as a governor,. >> he can do it? >> his discretion to veto a bill. and it's just not -- it's unthinkable that is he going to go to jail for this. and, therefore, of course it's christmas in august. it's going to be great for his presidential run. and he has already

indictment of kay bailey hutchison that was rejected and indictment of rick pear, you would know betteroes lyndon johnson saying from the grave. i think he's laughing about the notion that trying to get rid of political opponents or intimidating them is a criminal offense. >> schieffer: gerry, where do you think this goes beyond being political pay back? >> i think it's complicated. i suspect first of all i doubted it hurts him a lot to be in trouble for having gone after republicans see as democratic prosecutor trying to put republicans in jail. i don't think that's a problem in the republican party. if rick perry wants to run for president, i don't think that's his problem. it does create a huge distraction get in the way of the process of getting out of the governor's office moving up to wide smooth part. i don't think anybody doubts that's what rick perry has been setting out to do. >> schieffer: peter what is your take? >> it is a political dispute. between actors and political system and that leave them to respond to this. impeachment, hearing overturning of veto, what have you. a

in the '90s they indicted kay bailey hutchison and indicted tom delay.criticizing partisan differences. rosemary lehmberg is a convicted drunk driver. she was driving triple the alcohol level. >> there's a video of her arrest and detainment in jail. >> the idea she could then -- look there's a cliche about grand jury. you can indict a ham sandwich. that's what they did to rick perry. >> in travis county all ham sandwiches are republican. >> all ham sandwiches are in jail. >> let's take a look what greg mcdonald said. he was involved in filing the suit initially. i can report what he said. he said we believe he has the right to veto. it was his decision to veto. it was about the intimidation before the we, to about the use of the veto as coercion. but that's what a veto is all about. anybody who uses a veto is going to threaten to use the veto as a political tool. >> yes and no. what happened here yes, the popularly elected travis county district attorney rightfully elected was charged and she pled guilt i to dui, served 45 days in jail. she served her se

who has the support, had the support of our texas two republican senators, john cornyn and kay bailey hutchison he was considered for u.s. attorney job. the whole prosecution is being done by republicans, so the claims that it's a democrat, a smear job, simply doesn't hold up. also, the claim that perry's making is this is about a veto. it's actually not about a veto. it's about more than a veto. it's about the allegation of coercion. it's basically that you use state money, the prosecution says, in order to try to muscle a duly elected state official, county official out of office despite what her local voters thought about whether that ought to happen. it's as if you're saying, look, a veto's legal, and you can say, i wish somebody would leave office. that's free speech. but you may not be able to link the two. as if a campaign contribution is legal and you can ask somebody to do something, but the moment you link these two legal acts involving coercion, persuasion, or bribery, and in this case, abuse of authority is the allegation, then you have problems. rick perry has bigger problems than

i think former republican senator kay bailey hutchison dealt with this and there's a history of politicalot a pretty good case against the governor for abuse of authority. he basically punished the people of this locale because he thought the behavior of this woman was out of bounds. and so can he do that as governor? i suppose he has line item veto, yes. but it seems excessive. i think they will battle it out in the courts. a governor indicted is just not a headline you want when you're planning to run for president. >> yeah. if he's found nod guilty, though, or if the case gets dismissed, the question is, regarding the 2016 ambition, is it game over or does it rally the troops? >> if it's dismissed or he wins, it helps. there's a couple republican governors now. scott walker has ethical issues in a lawsuit. governor christie and there's one more. there's a group of them and they are all bright stars and they are all facing legal issues and i'm sure that they all feel that they are partisan witch hunts but there are serious issues at the heart of these cases and now we'll see how it play

this office in the past has indicted kay bailey hutchison which was thrown out on the first day of triale opening. there is this political history that plays into a very good narrative for the governor. and, you know, his defiance at that podium really sort of speaks to that narrative. and it enhances and emboldens him within this state and republicans outside looking in, as you've heard republicans from around the country, even potential rivals like bobby jindal coming to his defense and saying emphatically, this is bogus. his offense is not a prosecutable offense because it's part of his executive authority and this is what he does. now, the problem was he sort of telegraphed and said what he was going to do. he did it without necessarily saying what was on his mind. >> you're trying to get him on a veto threat. even democrats in government look at this and say the power of the line item veto, the executive's power to have the veto, any kind of threat is going to be coercive in nature. this is politics. >> this is politics. >> this is what politics is. christi, i have one more question

not only democrats that have been pursuing these ethics charges against texas, tom delay, kay bailey hutchisoniewers don't know there's a whole democratic movement in texas called battleground texas where some veterans of the obama administration are down there doing what they call a people -- >> turning the state blue. >> metric-driven campaign. they're already all over this so, yes, it does seem to me legally it would be perhaps hard to convict though i could see the rationale for the indictment, but in the meantime this is going to give an organizing group stuff to organize to. >> i think this whole thing is just completely fraught with politics. there's very little that democrats control in texas in the government. i mean, perry said it in the interview with casey hunt that he's been governor for 14 years. i mean, this whole thing, this whole government is rick perry's creation. >> and now they're surprised? >> so you have this sort of weird way the law works down there. the d.a. for austin, texas, obviously not the most conservative part of texas has the power to investigate the governmen

unfairly with republicans and it is indicted republicans and democrats in the past most recently kay bailey hutchisonhe group filed a complaint a special prosecutor was named and peary was indicted for abusing his authority at least that is the indictment in for coercion. he was charged with vetoing money using taxpayer money to try to muscle a duly elected county official out of office regardless of what the voters in that county want to say. now rick perry's response is look at governors can veto money. that's one of the constitutional rights that they have to do and there's nothing wrong with anything he did invite being put on trial for political reasons. >> host: the author why the conventional wisdom in the wreck. and i think story might be incomplete if you want to check that out. walk us through the mechanics of the file. many may have seen the mugshots that was released. what is next and how long is it going to be drawn out? >> caller: that is a good question. i've talked to his lawyers and they would like them to move on this as quickly as possible to resolve it. the governor says he is inn

tom delay is one and kay bailey hutchison is another and they don't have a very good batting record on it. >> they charged kay bailey hutch southern. never indicted. >> they did indict her, actually. >> oh, they did? >> yeah. she went to trial and -- on the first day of the trial. >> wow. >> that's unbelievable. maybe it is like a sewer leak in a restaurant that just opened. we will see. ross, thank you very much. >>> one other story we want to get to before we go to break. kurdish forces are celebrating a key victory overnight over islamic militants in iraq. they took over the area two weeks pregnant the country's largest dam and provides electricity to northern iraq. president obama notified congress about the new air strikes and said regaining control of the area would protect iraqi civilians and americans serving overseas. joining us now is msnbc chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski with the latest. jim? >> reporter: mika, what is interesting this is the kurds are celebrating but they didn't do it by themselves. they were actually fighting in conjunction with iraqi securit

blue county in the state and there have been other persecutions, yes, and prosecutions of kay bailey hutchisonof people in political power on the right side of the sector. rick perry has been a great governor. he's my friend. every time i talk about him, he says how's that marine daddy of yours? he understands. he gets it. great guy. i love him. this is balderdash, much to do about nothing. >> it is important to do that from you knowing him so well. you look great. i have a feeling because you're making clothing, a new line in america. >> one group of people have pursued a clothing company. they make a lot of military uniforms. we're starting a thing called the harry gatlin legend line, legend series. it's all made in america. i went to the sewell plant, a little lady, she was closer to 80 than she was 70. she said, mr. gatlin for 23 years i sat at this sewing machine for the levi strauss company putting pockets and belt loops. she said after nafta, they sent my job to china. she said now i'm back and mr. sewall and mr. hall gave me my job back. it's made in america. coming out in october. >>

but kay bailey hutchison, that was a scam. this rick perry indictment is a scam.agan, according to the prosecutor in austin, texas, ronald reagan throwing the budget down and say if you -- i will veto this bill. that's like a criminal offense. can i ask who is going to indict this guy who is indicting other people for political reasons? who is going to investigate this? this is a runaway beer truck in the austin prosecutor's office. it's disgraceful in my opinion. >> when you have "the new york times" editorial board going to the defense of rick perry, you know something is up. it makes perry bigger when i don't think he's a legitimate contender for 2016. he gets way too much coverage, more than he deserves. there's parts of his campaign last time around that were really laughable. >> i think he's a lot better this year than he was -- >> you already have republicans saying john mccain saying this indictment is going to help rick perry because it's going to motivate people who are angry because they think he's politically targeted. >> the strategy is so interesting