my name is kay walker, seiu. the west bay chapter of retirees have decided to oppose both amendments, at this point. we will do this publicly. this amendment could change, so it is not written in stone. however, here is my suggestion, in terms of being competitive with adachi, which kind of seems to be the m.o. here. if you remove the governance of the board, retirees will not fight that issue. we are bound and determined, most of us, to oppose this thing as it is now because of that item. a lot of seiu people, even though they do not come up and say this, are looking at adachi having a better deal for actives, in that there is a better sliding scale going on with contributions. this amendment does not. some of the people that are active and employed will go to adachi's amendment because of this. this is happening in seiu, a lot of infighting. you may not hear it, but you will see it eventually in the campaign unless q adopt his scheme and put that in your amendment. another point, some of us are upset about the