next speaker, please >> my name is kay walker i'm a member of po b prior vice president of the 10 to one retirees etc. i'm going to pick up where sharon left off. i'm not supportive of even though i'm in po b. i totally appreciate the fund and the fiscal responsibility but the thing is there's one other element this won't be fully funded until 20043. that's a long time. you know, and actually, i would like to see the mechanisms that the act require put out there before i would support anything. we do that in labor we don't just look at the written word we have charts and figures. i think this is lacking the background is lacking. and also in terms of the language and that's on page 6 and it gives so much upon recognition of the cities accuracy and i'm not of time; is that correct? >> you have about 30 seconds. is city and county like sharon said we don't know who's going to be on board >> thank you. next speaker, please >> good afternoon jim lazarus also representing our partners at the aligns for jobs. we think labor and for they're positive comments this afternoon. this goes to wha

i am kay walker and i'm a member of pov and a member who did not like this proposition, this legislation. one of the reasons is, and that is on page six that it gives the city apparatus and makes very political the disbursement and i could read it to you, but also which i may in a second but i only have two minutes, but also the idea that we are always called unfunded liabilities is an accounting term, but it's being used in a demeaning manner along with the fact that city employees are a drain i mean retirees are a drain on the budget. okay. this to me -- it sets up this whole panic that we need to find a way to take this money from other places other than the general fund which is what this is all about. as an expense like wages and streets and whatever this whole dialogue wouldn't have started, but you hadn't considered this an expense so it's being considered in the press as in a demining fashion. i am tired of it. it's like demeaning senior scpis think that needs to be fought in the court focus we have to and this is going on in terms of social security. >> >> gas bee rules are chan