anyone to say no to ukraine, and moldova, and i spoke about that with the estonian prime minister kaya collins, who is a vocal supporter of ukraine. and she is arguing that that now is it's the time for the you to be all in with regards to ukraine. let's have a listen. we have to defend our help, but ukraine defend themselves, so we have to give them military aid, all the support that they need. aggression is for pushback, but it also means that the crimes we see are ongoing in ukraine will go not will not go unpunished. and so that the genocide, the war crimes, the war criminals are held accountable because we have done that mistake already in the pastor in georgia, crimea don bus where, you know, there was a peace treaty and then everybody went on with their business and all those crimes for never punished, we can't do that mistake again. alexander, even of ukraine does get you candidate status. of course, the process of becoming an actual member will likely take years. so tell us, why would this be such a significant development right now? it would be a very significant development and a hi

their imagery i had a chance to ask this a question to the estonian prime minister kaya collins. and she told me that she is not very concerned about those threads because as she said, that's what russia does. they threaten as they avowed to take action. and she is a rather expecting that we might see cyber attacks coming out or launch being launch in russia or aerospace, a violation or a disinformation campaigns as a reaction to sweden and finland. i'm wanting to join nato, and that is what i've been hearing a lot from nato officials here. there are saying that they do not think that russia would right now have, for the capabilities are, and also the will to launch any military action against a nato territory. and against finland and sweden. now top of the agenda in madrid today is the growing crisis surrounding food security, russia and ukraine in particular, big suppliers of agricultural products, particularly grain, sunflower, oil, what not to the rest of the world. this is a big problem for the world as a whole. we're seeing prices rising and, and access to food becoming dif