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>> kaylee, great to have you back out in the field. thank you. >>> i want to bring in abc chief medical editor dr. jen ashton for a reality check tonight on testing. jen, so many experts are saying testing is the key to recovery, but there still remains chronic problems on conducting widespread mass testing. and now this new reporting by "the new york times" and others about the problems with antibody tests. >> well, tom, there are questions about the ability to scale up quickly to hundreds of millions of tests, and there's still scientific questions that need to be answered, when you talk about past infection testing versus active infection testing. the antibody testing for evidence of past infection, we don't know the accuracy of those tests, whether they can have false positives. we don't know how often to retest someone, whether it should be 14 days, because that's the thought, incubation period of this coronavirus. and we still don't know how to use the results of that test. and in medicine, before you do a test, you should know w

kaylee with us tonight. the president and dr. fauci both asked today whether americans might one day have to carry some sort of proof that they have immunity from the virus. >> reporter: yeah, david. dr. fauci was asked if he could imagine that day, when americans would carry around a certificate of immunity. he said it's possible. it's something they're discussing. he says we need to make sure we know the difference betweeen someone who's vulnerable to infection and who's not. >> kaylee hartung, who's recovered from coronavirus herself. and we're glad to see that. kaylee, thanks for reporting tonight. >>> the staggering toll on families across the country. nearly 17 million out of work. the urgent need for food. the desperate plea from church leaders as we head into this weekend. here's steve osunsami. >> they have enough food here for 20,000 individuals. >> reporter: the lines at food banks across the country are stretching forever. this one today in los angeles. these are the real people in the numbers. some of the nearly 17 m

kaylee with us tonight. the president and dr. fauci both asked today whether americans may have to one day carry proof they have immunity from the virus. >> yeah, david. imagine that day, when americans would carry around a certificate of immunity. he said it's possible. it's something they're discussing. he says we need to know the difference of someone who's vulnerable to infection and who's not. >> kaylee hartung who's recovered from coronavirus herself. we're glad to see that. >>> staggering death tolls across the country. thousands out of work. the desperate plea from many church leader as we head into this weekend. >> they have enough food hear>>d bankacssheountn los angeles, these are the real people in the numbers. someosei jobs. >> they don't know where their next meal is going come from. >> reporter: here in san antonio, they were lined up for free food before the sun rose. and this picture says everything. >> i've had a long day. i've been here since wednesday at 6:00 pm. >> reporter: just try getting an unemployment c

here's kaylee hartung from california. >> reporter: tonight, the major headline. the actual number of covid-19 infections may be 55 times the confirmed cases in los angeles county. usc testing nearly 900 people for antibodies, now estimating as many as 442,000 in the county had the virus as of april 9th. but that's just 5% of the population. the test finding hidden covid cases, but -- >> these tests are not good for telling if someone has immunity. >> reporter: that's because questions remain about whether antibodies provide immunity. >> there's an assumption, when you have an antibody that you are protected against reinfection, but that has not been proven for this particular virus. >> reporter: while health officials rush to test thousands more in michigan and new york, critics say the fda is allowing these tests, many coming from china, too quickly before being proven reliable. but one benefit to testing more people for antibodies, their potential to save lives. when plasma from a recovered person is donated to someone who's sick. connie griffin is a nurse in o

thank you, kaylee. >>> there has also been talk about whether a common heartburn drug could help. a hospital group is looking at whether the key ingredient in pepcid could actually help. tonight, the potential science, and the extreme caution. because they do not want a run on pepcid. here's eva pilgrim. >> reporter: tonight, the search for a treatment. scientists in new york now focused on a popular heartburn drug, famotidine, the active ingredient in pepcid. >> we're not using conventional what we call pepcid or over-the-counter reflux doses. we're using much larger doses. >> reporter: doctors at northwell health are giving the drug intravenously to some patients in the study. coupled with hydroxychloroquine, that controversial anti-malaria drug. until now, they have been very discreet about the research. were you worried if word got out that you were doing the study, there'd be a run on pepcid in pharmacies? >> well, i think that's a definite real possibility. >> reporter: the study started after doctors in china noticed that patients who just happened to be taking famotidine f

here's abc's kaylee hartung. >> reporter: in the war against covid-19, this is one of the places the fight is most intense. but instead of guns, these soldiers are using d disinfectants. >> we've been treating facilities that take care of georgia's most vulnerable residents to covid-19. >> now to the staggering toll. >> the outbreak is taking a toll on nursing homes. >> the governor issuing a series of mandates, including limiting visitors to nursing homes. >> reporter: an abc news tally, counting over 10,000 deaths in 26 states. i was there as the outbreak began in kirkland, washington. we'd just seen another person loaded up into an ambulance to be taken to the hospital. >> reporter: and over the weeks, the body count has continued to rise. 49 in virginia. >> one of the deadliest covid-19 outbreaks at any assisted living facility in the country. >> reporter: just this week, in andover, new jersey. >> we're taking very special care of our nursing homes and our seniors. >> reporter: critics say the administration has mishandled the situation on multiple fronts. >> clearly the federal

here's kaylee hartung. >> reporter: tonight, states laser focused on testing, expanding screening for covid antibodies. new york has run 7,500, nearly 15% testing positive. 5,000 more on the front lines will be tested, including emergency workers and police. >> nypd was out there every day and they paid a terrible toll. >> reporter: in miami, researchers estimate 165,000 have antibodies indicating prior infection, dwarfing the entire state's known cases of roughly 30,000. but accuracy is an issue. a new study of 14 coronavirus antibody tests found only three delivered consistently reliable results. >> i worry a lot that people are going to draw conclusions from some of these tests that they may not be accurate. >> reporter: the w.h.o. warns even if you have antibodies, there's still no conclusive evidence of immunity. >> i think what w.h.o. was saying, we don't know how long that effective antibody lasts, and i think that is a question that we have to explore. >> reporter: while it's unknown whether there's immunity to covid, with sars it's estimated to be 24 months. in the common col

kaylee, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, whit.pressive group of experts who have put together this comprehensive plan. it will take collaboration and cooperation, and it will be a challenge on many levels to carry out, but the authors of this plan say with the help of a can-do american spirit, it is possible. this morning, an exclusive first look at what a cast of experts is calling the roadmap to recovery. >> at some point in the not too different future, we're going to have our country back. >> reporter: more than 45 experts joining forces to create a straightforward plan to america back up and running and safely. >> we have to learn about ppe and we have to learn about flattening the curve, and now we have to learn about ttsi, all right. testing, tracing, supported isolation. that's how you find the cases, you get people treatment and you get people isolated. >> reporter: danielle allen is the head of harvard's center for ethics. she's leading the bipartisan panel that includes doctors, economists and political scientists. the

kaylee hartung, los angeles. >> our thanks to kaylee for that report. >>> and there is hope a deal canllion federal relief package. most of that money, about $300 billion, will go to loans for small businesses. it's believed the final issue that needs to be resolved is money for testing and hospitals. if a final agreement is reached, it could be passed by congress over the next few days. >> that additional aid for small businesses can't come fast enough for the restaurant industry. it is on track to lose nearly $250 billion this year, $50 billion in sales just this month. the industry's trade group says two out of three workers have been let go. 8 million people and 4 of 10 restaurants probably won't reopen. >>> experts say the pandemic has been very good for one industry. italian law enforcement agencies say the mafia is capitalizing on the disaster and poised to pump cash into failing businesses. it's even providing free food to families to gain favor. one expert says other european countries are even more vulnerable to criminal infiltration than italy. >>> marathon monday in boston

good morning, kaylee. >> reporter: good morning, george.of the lack of testing in this country, very few people are able to donate. >> how soon can we schedule the donation? >> reporter: i had been waiting for this phone call. >> you feel so helpless when you're attacked by the virus and then to hear there's a chance you could help gives you some hope. >> reporter: on march 12th i became a statistic. i got a headache right here. >> am i right, the antibodies of a recovering person can actually save the life of someone who is critically ill? >> that is the concept, diane. >> reporter: its an experimental treatment but could i help? i started calling hospitals and blood banks. >> i believe i'm an eligible donor. >> reporter: after three weeks and filling out every donation form i could find online that fateful call finally came. >> thank you for coming in today. >> thank you for having me. >> you're doing such good work here. we appreciate that. >> i've never donated blood before. >> reporter: more than 30,000 people have volunteered to donat

. >> reporter: first grader kaylee gutierrez made a sign for herself.ut school. >> my friends and my teacher and learning and stuff. >> reporter: more than 40 teachers from oak park elementary participated in today's parade, but it's a trend that's been rolling into towns across the country. from wisconsin to texas, the special bond between teacher and pupil is on full display, and passing the test of social distancing. >> they were all holding little banners and screaming our names wo just, like, wow! like, they miss us as much as we miss them. and it was just really nice to see. >> i know it means something to them. >> reporter: what does it mean to you? >> everything. >> reporter: proving a class act can bring hope to us all. jamie yuccas, cbs news, fontana, california. >> hi! >> o'donnell: as they say, socially distant but not spiritually apart. we'll be right back. right back. daddy, is that where we're from? well, actually...we're from a lot of places. you see we're from here and there and here... your family's story is waiting to be shared. at an

good morning, kaylee. >> reporter: good morning, amy. given the lack of testing, it's really no surprise that researchers would find more people to be infected with this virus than the number of confirmed cases we know of. but just how many? that number may shock you and it could change how officials make decisions moving forward. this morning, as antibody tests roll out across the country, los angeles is facing a stark reality. the actual number of people who have been infected with covid-19 may be up to 55 times higher than the number of confirmed cases. researchers at usc tested nearly 900 people for antibodies. their results estimating as many as 442,000 people in the county have been infected with the virus as of april 9th. but that's less than 6% of the population there. >> so we have a long way to go. we are still early in the epidemic and more people will likely get infected. >> reporter: the results informative but also limited. >> so, again, these tests are good for counting the number of people who have had covid. these tests

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good morning, kaylee. >> reporter: good morning, amy.ay in los angeles, researchers are taking matters into their own hands in the fight against covid-19. all it will take is a prick of your finger. the information gathered could be key to better understanding this disease and may be helpful in getting people back to work. drive-through testing sites have popped up across the country, but not like this. in california, a project under way to check thousands of people for antibodies to covid-19. the test is as simple as a finger prick. >> our test can give us a very clear sense of what's happening in the population. >> reporter: two bold doctors teaming up, one from stanford, one from usc, forging ahead with a volunteer army to test their communities for antibodies. >> i think we have to be as proactive as possible because every week we wait, there are millions of people who are losing their jobs. there are millions of people who are anxious about what's going on. and we are making a lot of policy decisions without really understanding thi

here's abc's kaylee hartung. >> reporter: tonight, the discovery of an early death rewriting the timeline of the covid outbreak in america. 57-year-old patricia dowd, seen here, died in santa clara county on february 6th, three week bfrs the first documented covid death in the country. >> there was some significant level of virus circulating in our community in early february and who knows how much earlier. >> reporter: california's governor telling coroners statewide to investigate cases as far back as december. new research finds that by march 1st, when the u.s. had just 23 confirmed cases, hidden outbreaks were spreading undetected in five major cities including boston, seattle, chicago, san francisco and new york, according to "the new york times." the actual number of cases may have been at least 28,000. in texas tonight, abc news following jimmie hayden's fight with the virus. he was on a ventilator before receiving a plasma donation from someone who had the virus and recovered. just two weeks later, he's back home. >> how do you thank someone that truly saved your life? and i can't

say that kaylee said or somebody, and then you find out that number one, the source does not exist. and i tried to tell them. the beautiful thing about doing these conferences is that we have tremendous numbers of viewers and i'm able to reach the viewers without having to go through fa ke viewers without having to go through fake news where they make a good story into a bad story. so with all of that, it has been an incredible period of time, we have done a fantastic job with the period of time, we have done a fantasticjob with the talk of other nations, the leaders of other nations, the leaders of other nations are calling us for help. their congress for equipment and for testing capacities. deborah will talk about that now, with the testing, we have other tests that will be phenomenal, i think they're going to blow away everything as soon as going to blow away everything as soon as they come out and we are going to get them out as soon as possible. but i would like to ask the doctor to come up and see if yea rs the doctor to come up and see if years about —— say a few words about

the white house taking up a communications team, kaylee mcinerney taking over as white house press secretary she will replace stephanie grisham who spent nine months in that role, mcinerney was the press secretary, grisham will return to the first lady's team as chief of staff and spokeswoman, she thanked donald trump for the honor of a lifetime adding she's looking forward to the years to come. jillian: supplies over skies, a 60-year-old pilot using skills to deliver donated radical supplies to struggling rural hospitals treating covid-19 patients. >> finding hospitals with supplies. rob: tj kim calling the mission operation sos, they hope to make deliveries to 7 rural hospitals in virginia. jillian: for more stories like this plus information how you can help go to foxnews.com. change of course, navy ship comfort ready to treat coronavirus patients. >> to see if they would change it to covid-19, the president to his credit moved expeditiously. jillian: the comfort's commanding officer joins us with precautions being taken to protect everyone on board. rob: a felon known for hiking the pric

now to this, the white house shaking up its communication team, kaylee mcinerney taking over as whiteuse press, she will replace stephanie grisham, she was the trump 20/20 campaign secretary, sure first to the first lady's team, she thanked donald trump on twitter for the, quote, honor of a lifetime adding she's looking forward to the years to come. congratulations. >> the fdny taking a break to thank healthcare workers on the coronavirus front lines. >> this never gets old. new york city firefighters clapping and cheering outside an nyu hospital, their show of support happening for the third night since last week. >> everybody videotaping each other. for information on how you can help head to foxnews.com/americatogether. the support they need. jillian: a stunning new statistic, 80% of patients and wuhan caught the virus from someone who didn't show symptoms. what could that mean about the effectiveness of social distancing. rob: the pharma bro wants to join the fight against covid-19, his new plea to get out of jail. azar welcome back. a shocking new study out china reveals 80% of c

we've not seen kaylee mcinerney, she is with us live, donald trump advisory group to reopen the economy200 people on a call, they had it. was do they discuss? one of those people, mark cuban was on the call with insider information and he will probably not whisper it. really good racecar driver has a foundation establishing a one million-dollar covid-19 fund. he will be with us live. judge andrew napolitano on taking our rights away especially in michigan. is that okay? tammy bruce will be important. please get dressed and i urge you to wear pants during our show. these days you need faster internet that does all you expect and way more. that's xfinity xfi. get powerful wifi coverage that leaves no room behind with xfi pods. and now xfi advanced security is free with the xfi gateway, giving you an added layer of network protection, so every device that's connected is protected. that's a $72 a year value. no one else offers this. faster speed, coverage, and free advanced security at an unbeatable value with xfinity xfi. can your internet do that? >> welcome back, washington state joining

. >>> we are also now learning that former campaign trunk spokeswoman kaylee mcinerney will take over white house press secretary after the white house announced that stephanie grisham was kept down as press secretary and return to the east wing as first lady melania trump's chief of staff. grisham took over for sarah sanders last june . >>> new cases of the coronavirus at bay area nursing homes continue to come in and the latest confirmed cases of covid-19 are in pleasant hill. another is in kenfield and marin county, adding to the growing list of 10 local nursing homes dealing with the outbreak . >>> the contra costa county health reports that for residents of the carlton senior living center tested positive and three of them are in the hospital. nine staff members contracted the virus . >> the professor says that could be partly due to the fact that many nursing homes have staff that are not licensed nurses and are not familiar with infection control procedures. >> people are forgetting that the nursing home and assisted living facilities are far more vulnerable than the hospitals

kaylee michael haney will take over as press secretary. >>> still to come, the bay area city talking0 day suspension of rent payments. >>> plus the added challenge in the north bay, getting ready for fire stations middle of a pandemic. >>> chief meteorologist bill martin tracking the full forecast. ag penalty, covered california has made it easier to get financial help, but time's limited. visit coveredca.com or call to enroll today. whaso let's do the rightver chanthing, today.ow. let's stay at home. let's wash up. let's always keep our distance - please, six feet apart at least. let's look after ourselves, as well as others. it will all be worth it. we can all do our part. so those on the front line can do their part. and when this is over, we will all, continue, to thrive. >>> two san jose city council members are calling for an emergency resolution to waive rent for 90 days. california already has a moratorium on evictions through may fourth, but tenants rights advocates say more needs to be done to protect people who have lost their jobs. tenants would need to provide written do

the white house press secretary kaylee mack and annie, she put out a tweet saying "though the safely opening up america. again, president trump will brief the nation during a press conference this evening." he will likely address all of us tonight. again, bill, there was going to be a briefing today, now there is not, now the briefing is back on, a lot of questions about these new blueprint, and right now, i should point out then in about an hour, president trump is going to be meeting with the ceos of companies like walmart, walgreens, he may make an announcement about this blueprint at that point in time, if he doesn't, you will hear in the briefing at the rose garden. bill. >> bill: kristin fisher from the north lawn, that briefing two hours from now. want to bring an director of the harvard global institute to react to this. doctor, things are coming back. as kristin points out, this would be a massive move forward. what is your take on what you're hearing right now, doctor? >> to say thank goodness. a look, i look at the blueprints, i don't know the details yet, i will do that a

it's interesting to me that kaylee, the new spokesperson, who is over the top in her, you know, soviet-like praise of -- or -- or, you know, rewriting of history on things would say one thing. and, then, the president. they clearly didn't even coordinate their lies. >> they didn't, anderson, and i think we found out today that the president's words have meaning but they are also, at times, hazardous to your health. and i think that was part of what we learned today. and going to your point, anderson, there just isn't enough disinfectant at the white house to wash away what the president did. and the lies that were told to try to cover it up. i will tell you, anderson, one of the reasons why he cut short that briefing earlier this evening, my sources tell me, is because the president was upset about the flack he was taking over his comments. that people could use disinfectants to kill the coronavirus inside their bodies. but it goes beyond that anderson. we're talking to sources in the white house this evening and they are telling us there is a discussion going on about paring down these bri

id i have two kids, cecilde in karten and kaylee is in third grade and she is eight. it's challenng to not be able to sit one on one with students and really help them understand what they're missing. and i think bi a parent, my est challenge is going to is me.ng to be the availability of teaching my own children that iney're just going to have to be a little bit morpendent and do things on their own? >> with my son being autistic, it's a lotf times there are these things where i can't just be like, hey, you know's a math worksheet from your teacher. spend 30 minutes on this. i have to sit there with him ant we go throug and i mean, i probably only worked 15 hours last week at my regular job just because i was taking on all this stuff. and it was important to make sure that he had some consistency from as we make this transition becse it's hard for him. >> woodruff: that transition in some cases has been helped along by technology. play dates via ipad. classroom video conference calls on a technology called zoom.me >> my s sarah soliz and i anve in albuquerque, new me

i'm sure it wasn't the area but my question is this, it's possible that kaylee didn't get involved in the actions in wilmington because of states rights. and because he felt that there are good people on both sides. >> he may have thought that, i know he never said it to my knowledge but i think that's a good point. it's entirely possible but i do think he did not want to antagonize voters, not only in north carolina but across the south. he was a politician running for reelection and i think that had a lot todo with . >> i've been working with young people and we did a pilgrimage to wilmington this past summer and i was wondering if youheard from members of the community in wilmington the black community , particularly st. mark's. they said in the past year to descendents of the redcoats came to apologize or what their ancestors had done so you might want to get in touch with st. mark's. my question is in your research have you seen evidence of how the impact of 1898 played on the wilmington town in the 1970s? >> got asked that question about the wilmington 10 . i'm not an expert on

say that kaylee said, or somebody. and you would find out that the source would not say it. the sources do not exist. i do not believe the sources exist. i try to tell people the , beautiful thing about doing these conferences is we have tremendous numbers of viewers. i am able to reach the viewers and without having to go through the news, into a bad story. where they make it with all of that, it has been an incredible time. we have done and a fantastic job. we are the talk of other nations. the leaders of other nations are calling us for help. they are calling opsware. our talk -- they are calling us for equipment. they are calling us for testing capacity. with the testing, we are going further. dr. birx will talk about that. we have some other tests coming up that will be phenomenal. i think they will blow away everything as soon as they come out. and we will get them out as soon as possible. i would like to ask dr. birx to come up and say a few words about where we have come, how far we have come, and where we are going from this point. it is quite amazing. thank you ver

moron emma kaylee. you treat everyone like family.ou're on a first name vase basis after just one visit. he and his staff have been closed for three weeks. it's a heavy financial burden but it is so much more than that. >> for me coming here is everything. my customers are like my family. so i missed everything. >> it is emotional, not only because restaurants of closed but because they are from the italy island of capri which has been devastated by the virus. but unfortunately his family is back home and healthy. as for his customers they are counting the days when the doors finally gets open again. >> i feel like i am in newly whenever i come. plus the food is fabulous. >> is awfully good. he was so worried about his staff he started a gofundme page that has raised over $41,000 now. claudine i wish we all had boxes like that. >> yes. it is good to see in here. and the gofundme page really was fantastic. you know it's not fantastic? the sound of rain hitting my window. one of my writers said the rain had not gotten the clayton about

. >> our thanks to kaylee. testing, contact testing, the next big phase in this whole thing.e know apple, google, said they've got a partnership they're planning to really, really try to enable proximity-based contact tracing while also trying to maintain privacy as well. >> that is a very big concern. so ttsi. that is testing, tracing, and supported isolation. seems to be the new acronym that we're all going to learn within the next coming weeks. >> experts say they believe half the population will need to use the apps for this thing. >> in order for it to be effective, exactly. >> exactly. >>> by now you've likely heard of zoom chats and zoom happy hours, my favorite. video conferencing now has another purpose. >> new york governor andrew cuomo has issued an order allowing new yorkers to obtain marriage licenses remotely. cuomo says clerks are allowed to conduct marriage ceremonies over video. congratulations to those taking advantage of that. >>> coming up, are we getting too much screen time in quarantine? >> what one expert says we need to do to prevent screen burnout. d

. >> reporter: these roommates kaylee and jalen still concerned about young people who have pre-existing from asthma. >> my fear would be that given the language used in the email, students wouldn't realize how serious of a situation we're dealing with. >> reporter: daniels laying out some preliminary practices that would allow the university to re-open, spreading out classes and reducing sizes, pretesting students and staff for the virus, and using contact tracing and self-quarantining. brown university's president, christina paxton, also on board, writing in "the new york times," the re-opening of college and university campuses in the fall should be a national priority. institutions should develop public health plans now that build on three basic elements of controlling the spread of infection, test, trace and separate. all this as the may 1st deadline, decision day for incoming students, is looming. many now reconsidering their plans. >> it's really unappealing to me the idea of paying for college and doing all of that school work when i'm not able to connect face-to-face with the pe

now we have a new -- i don't know where kaylee mcnaigh menan going to be. that is donald trump himself. he deals directly. i've had more direct interactions with donald trump than i've had with some of his press secretaries. he deals directly with the reporters. he attacks us in public, but he also courts us in private. >> hey, john. it is willie. great to you have back on this morning. i would be interested in your perspective as someone who covers this white house so closely of the balance we've been talking about, that doctors fauci and birx have to find in dealing with the president of the united states, giving him what he wants, being deferential with him but having to deal with the health of the american people, lead with science and lead with medicine. it looks yesterday like they sort of won that argument. they were the ones presenting the guidelines. they were the ones that perhaps convinced the president to let the governors decide what is best for the states. how do you see that when you cover the white house, the balance between the think they r