is it dobbs, a catalytic event >> it's dobbs, kazmierczak they're choosing their moment. they think they have science on their side obviously they don't every single statistic they put forward is fall. less than a third of 1% of women who take it have serious complications. but they think this is their moment >> they're also making in the argument for standing, right, they're saying not only is it they're saying these are the complications clause, they're saying women who terminate effectively -- i'm paraphrasing here they say women who choose to end their pregnancies are denying the doctors effectively of a patient -- a client base if you will because they can't offer them pregnancy care. >> they're basically arguing there is this massive abortion industry, and when these medications are used to end a pregnancy it's denying the physicians the opportunity to do surgically, to do it procedurally, and again this plays into a lot of the rhetoric the pro-life movement has used for years. again, this idea there is an industry of abortion providers who are preying upon women wh