kazmierczak has decided he'll take this case. there's a zombie law, an anti-pornography law that's from the 19th century, but that shouldn't stop the republican party, right? ical you talk more about the way in which you think this court will use this law in the future? >> the com stock law prevented mailing mail in to patients. it wouldn't only impact mifepristone, it would also impact the other medication, which is the second medication you take. by the way, you can use it alone for abortion. it's an ulcer medication and widely available. it could be potentially banned for mailing for anybody. instruments used in abortion steined to use in procedural abortion could also be banned. you know, so it's a really extreme approach that they're taking that could limit access to abortion not only for people in states that ban it but states like new york, massachusetts, california. it would make abortion -- they're trying to ban abortion nationwide by using this back door. >> and i've also got to say they could use that law to ban the sh

matthew kazmierczak rubber stamping conservative lawsuits in search of a broader policy change acrosshe country, these judges don't even hide the activism at this point. what is it about this moment in time that licenses them to feel so emboldened? >> one, we have to recall during the trump administration, this election of federal judges essentially outsourced to leonard leo and the heritage foundation which wave heard about before and you've talked about before. those judges were vetted to be movement conservatives. so there's a kind of comfort there. they know the mission, they've chosen to accept it, and they're doing it. this case you just talked about, the mifepristone case was heard at the supreme court yesterday. he was totaledy out there with the view these doctors allegedly suffered. it seems likely the court is going to issue a stern rebuke, this is not the kind of injury they look for these cases. but the fifth circuit and judges like the judge so extreme when those lower courts are out there truly pushing inenvelope the court can rein in a little, get heralded for the pres