his oldest brother, kazuo stayed. and mirin then grilled low and slow over charcoal. >> anthony: say, they could serve this at the french laundry. right? [ laughter ] >> catherine: i think we do. >> anthony: so back in the days of the family catering business, when he looked at his younger brother did he think, "this guy's going to make something of himself?" >> chef kazuo: [ speaking japanese ] >> catherine: he's like, "no." >> anthony: 'cause your dad said he was a bad, he was not a good student. >> chef kazuo: [ speaking japanese ] >> catherine: it's when he went to high school and then he stopped studying. >> anthony: right, what was he doing instead of studying? >> chef kazuo: [ speaking japanese ] >> catherine: mahjong. mahjong. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> next this insanely delicious custard with bean curd, broth and kelp. >> that is beautiful. >> really good. everyone in the family. >> so after he graduated high school, he didn't have any idea what he wanted to do. my uncle, at the time e he was already in tokyo. he was like, lo