heard gordon sondland tell ukrain directly that there needed to be these investigations, there is no kbiresident zelensky to arrange those investigations and also look into the 2016 elections. he did not include that ask for those investigation, and as we know, the president brought it up, anyway. john? >> so vindman said it was a demand in the allegations. fiona hill also served on the national security council. kylie, what did she say about the same meeting? >> fiona hill describes that july 10 meeting we've put so much focus on, and she describes what was said by ambassador sondland to the ukranians. she said, quote, as i came in, ambassador sondland was saying, quote, how he had an agreement with chief of staff mulvaney for a meeting with the ukranians if they were going to go forward with investigations. she was frustrated by that. we now have reports that she went to the white house lawyers and discussed with them what went down in those meetings. the other thing to recognize here is fiona hill had been at the white house essentially since day one as a top russia adviser to preside