there a being kbrs -- she comes down on the side that, joe, you're too human to be a part of this partyn being like you who feels, who can cross the aisle, who can talk to people, who can say, yeah, mike pence is sort of a nice guy and then be forced to apologize for it. it's a very interesting piece and it's epertinent to what we've been talking about now for days on end about joe biden. i would just say this in conclusion, joe, that last year and the year before the media spent a lot of time thinking, writing and talking in a postmortem analysis of the way the coverage of the 2016 campaign was covered. people ka the timing about. >> oh, my gosh. to say the lest. >> they like going down to del ver verse. sfrm -- maybe 55% want the democratic party to go in a more moderate, a more centrist, a more accommodating way in the current election, at least according to the latest two or three polls out. >> yeah. this is defining moment for the democratic party. what is their mission, what is their hand date, what is their cause for new that i is that's been a unifying force for beyond this torm