we decided to go forward tonight i will first call roll commissioner hur commissioner keane councilmember gloria's and the executive director have been excluded from tonight meeting i'll tell you that some the gentleman didn't have to abstain himself we'll switch the agenda items number 4 will be taken up first that is the ballot measure statement and then we'll take up the agenda item number 3 that deals with the recruitment profile so agenda 2 public items appearing or not appearing on tonight agenda. >> good afternoon, commissioners i'm charley for the record you have my e-mail where i suggested respectfully you might consider amending our bylaws for the purpose of having a consistent provision in the law for filings to proceed all legislative and other important types of things which you do including placing initiatives on the ballot to the public has a clear idea why this particular measure or act was taken with that said you can do easily by a majority vote that applies to all the areas in the administration something you do anyway as a matter of progress it would be a useful thing and signa