businesses from 500 something down to 200 something did you look to see if there was a corresponding keduction in the overall numbers of small businesses or local businesses, a corresponding reduction of the numbers regardless of the distribution of that make up? was there a corresponding decrease? >> there was a decrease in the overall numbers but it was greatly steeper for our women business enterprises who were certified. we can really attribute this to some of the things that zula just mentioned. we have a micro set aside program where we try to have -- it's i project set aside for a small size company so that they can handle it on their own. there is a lot as you can imagine as commissioners, there are rule exercise regulations in the government and it's complicated. >> >> this program is not for start up companies. it's for companies that have been in business but they want to do business with the city and county and we assist them in that way but we find a lot of businesses have difficulty really learning and navigating through the culture, through the ropes and happening what people sa