jessica, kehinde talks about the fact that we are deluding ourselves. what is your answer to that? woman. she is a mixed heritage woman, and there is a difference. my experience as a mixed heritage woman is not the same as that of my girlfriends who are fully black. particularly if they are darker skinned. there is a privilege that comes with having a lighter skin. so therefore we have to acknowledge that. she cannot be the champion. privilege is an interesting way of putting it, a privilege to have a lighter skin. that is an ideology which has been passed down through many generations, and it has no use to any of us. but it is in existence. let's talk about the wedding for a moment. kehinde, are you suggesting to me that just say that her mother walks the aisle, a divorced black woman, that will not have a resounding impact? no, i think the impact could be negative. we see these images and these symbols, similar to barack obama, but he actually had some powers. and we all say, hasn't it got better? but if you are black in britain tomorrow, you are still likely to be poor, you are