. >> well, we will have to wait and see what comes after it, that means it is the -- kehl it will beoreign ministers of france, germany ukraine, and russia. the signs aren't very good, this will produce anything particularly fruitful, because if we drill down to what is happening on the ground and listen to what the osce has been saying, it's been saying that there is very little trust there between ukraine and the separatists, both sides the o.s.c.e. are saying have been in breach of the minsk agreement. and in terms of removing heavy weaponry from the contact line. then if you come off bit from that, and look at a et mooing that's been taking place today, the contact group involving representatives of ukraine, russia, the o. s.c. e. and when they are invited the separatist areas a as well that was the fifth session, that's taken place over a time period of months. that broke up with very very little to say for it, so that's the con tex really, in which these foreign ministers will be meeting and we will have to wait and see. >> okay, thank you very much. >> euro zone leaders say a