why on earth is keir starmer here? >> well, keir starmer is here because he has to be. happened in 2017 when theresa may tried ducking the debates. the reality is that , i debates. the reality is that, i think a lot of parties might somewhat regret this new tradition that's been in place since 2010. but there's no ducking it. it's part and parcel of the election campaign now, and he'd look for it if he wasn't here. but of course, he's not as many debates as rishi sunak wanted him to be at rishi wanted a debate every single week because traditionally , the week because traditionally, the underdog has more to gain from these debates, and the person in front has much more to lose. so for keir, it's a traditional performance of carrying that ming vase across the slippery floor. and for rishi, he's really going to be biting and tackling starmer on every point of contention. he's got a problem, though, hasn't he, mr sunak, if he interrupts too much, he looks a bit preppy, a bit keen to get involved a bit. >> the school boy, the head boy, not the head teacher. how does he mana

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keir starmer perhaps the nerves a bit, keir starmer perhaps the nerves a bit. there's— keir starmer perhaps. fearfui— bit, there's more at stake for him. fearful that — bit, there's more at stake for him. fearful that that big lead in the opinion— fearful that that big lead in the opinion polls might shrink. it hasn't — opinion polls might shrink. it hasn't in _ opinion polls might shrink. it hasn't in the first couple weeks of this campaign. for rishi sunak perspective you needs a game changer in this— perspective you needs a game changer in this campaign so far everything he's tried — in this campaign so far everything he's tried would appear as not work. he also— he's tried would appear as not work. he also needs to convince his own side, _ he also needs to convince his own side, marry— he also needs to convince his own side, many who are very nervous about— side, many who are very nervous about the — side, many who are very nervous about the prospect of losing seeds that he _ about the prospect of losing seeds that he still got fight in him. but there's— that he still got fight in him.

_ you have in rishi sunak and keir starmer, two people who - you have in rishi sunak and keir starmersperately trying to avoid showing any personality if they have it, and | any personality if they have it, and also being — any personality if they have it, and also being very— any personality if they have it, and also being very big _ any personality if they have it, and also being very big on— any personality if they have it, and also being very big on what- any personality if they have it, and also being very big on what they i also being very big on what they stand _ also being very big on what they stand for. — also being very big on what they stand for. you _ also being very big on what they stand for, you have _ also being very big on what they stand for, you have a _ also being very big on what they stand for, you have a leader- stand for, you have a leader here who is— stand for, you have a leader here who is very— stand for, you have a leader here who is very clear— stand for, you have a leader here who is very clear on _ stand for, you have a leader here who is very clear on

keir starmer, ten times he wouldn't- to reducing migration and tax. keir. he wouldn't deny raising taxes. if you think— starmer, ten times he wouldn't deny raising taxes. if you think it'll- starmer, ten times he wouldn't deny raising taxes. if you think it'll be i raising taxes. if you think it'll be a labour— raising taxes. if you think it'll be a labour government— raising taxes. if you think it'll be a labour government that - raising taxes. if you think it'll be a labour government that needs savingm — a labour government that needs savin: . .. �* a labour government that needs savinu... �* a labour government that needs savinu...�* ' , .,, saving... but the past 14 years in government. _ saving... but the past 14 years in government, rishi _ saving... but the past 14 years in government, rishi sunak, - saving... but the past 14 years in government, rishi sunak, your. saving... but the past 14 years in i government, rishi sunak, your man was talking about the future, but it's a 14 year record their that the party also asked to answer on. things have go

keir starmer is talking about is predicated - this time, everything keir starmer is talking about isis talking about is predicated on growth and _ is talking about is predicated on growth and growth _ is talking about is predicated on growth and growth needs - is talking about is predicated onl growth and growth needs regular is talking about is predicated on - growth and growth needs regular to reform. _ growth and growth needs regular to reform. planning— growth and growth needs regular to reform, planning reform, _ reform, planning reform, infrastructure _ reform, planning reform, infrastructure reform. - reform, planning reform, . infrastructure reform. none reform, planning reform, - infrastructure reform. none of reform, planning reform, _ infrastructure reform. none of these things— infrastructure reform. none of these things come — infrastructure reform. none of these things come quickly, _ infrastructure reform. none of these things come quickly, they— infrastructure reform. none of these things come quickly, they take - things come quickly, they take years and years _ thing

let's start with sir keir starmer . so if we with sir keir starmer.a little show of hands on that one bloke thought that. okay. all right. okay rishi sunak. right. and there's a couple of. oh, now this is interesting because there's a couple of chaps on the front row here who you presumably just didn't think. didn't think that anybody won. he did mention something to me whilst we were watching it earlier, that every time rishi sunak opens his mouth, you think he's lying? so we'll get the microphone over to him very, very shortly. now what i will say to you as well is that very shortly we're going to be going to what's called the spin room. okay. for some of that live reaction with our gb news political editor christopher hope . he's right in christopher hope. he's right in amongst it. and over the course of this hour, fingers crossed . of this hour, fingers crossed. what we're hoping to get is him with johnny mercer as well, who is a tory minister. wes streeting we think we might be getting and jonathan ashworth and a couple of others. so we're going

what, keir starmer said in you. what, keir starmer said in response to the junior doctors question.t your reaction from it here? as a former labour party adviser, let's hear from who is currently the leader of the opposition anyway , but are you going to pay anyway, but are you going to pay them more because you've said that you won't meet their pay claims? >> well, the doctors say they want 35. and i've had to say we don't know. >> we want a path to pay restoration. >> so i get that. but again , i >> so i get that. but again, i want to be straight about terms. >> yeah. and we're looking to make that 35% thing is not pay progression conditions. >> and all of that can be negotiated on the 35, i don't think we can afford that as a country because of the damage that's been done to the economy. i don't want to pretend to you that we can. i'll sit down in a room and negotiate and find a way through this, just as has happenedin way through this, just as has happened in other countries, because it's intolerable that we go on. but i'm not going to start with the proposition that we simply a

keir starmer is a _ take that kind of nimble approach where keir starmer is a bit - take that kind of starmer is a bit slower and i think with the conservative so far behind us, the feeling that conservatives have much to lose by going forward —— don't have much to lose by going forward in this debate. �* ., ., lose by going forward in this debate. ., ., ~ ., , debate. another man knows the sub'ects debate. another man knows the subjects in _ debate. another man knows the subjects in advance, _ debate. another man knows the subjects in advance, subjects, l debate. another man knows the l subjects in advance, subjects, the moment and the feel of the labour and conservatives no and would prefer to be speaking about something?— prefer to be speaking about something? prefer to be speaking about somethin: ? , ., ., , something? interviews of the leaders earlier this week _ something? interviews of the leaders earlier this week that _ something? interviews of the leaders earlier this week that rishi _ something? interviews of the leaders earlier this week that rishi sunak - earlier this wee

keir starmer major position he has taken. ack, what about wider questions of culture in government, he asked. this isn't 'ust what government, he asked. this isn't just what has _ government, he asked. this isn't just what has happened - government, he asked. this isn't just what has happened this - government, he asked. this isn't. just what has happened this week, last week in the gambling commission. we saw partygate. the prime minister himself was convicted and fined for breaking the rules which he brought in and imposed on everybody else. which he brought in and imposed on everybody else-— everybody else. next, a question about benefits _ everybody else. next, a question about benefits as _ everybody else. next, a question about benefits as the _ everybody else. next, a question about benefits as the exchangesl everybody else. next, a question i about benefits as the exchanges got more punchy, energised, personal. i just want to address your point... you opposed it when i announced it. if you opposed it when i announced i

keir starmer then stands up, jacket off, sleeves rolled up.ipted from their point of view because their number one thing is do not make a mistake. and let's hear keir starmer, the labour leader, delivering some of that script. we have a plan in this manifesto, a total change of direction, - laser—focused on our cause — stability, growth, _ investment and reform. a government back in- the service of your family, ready to change britain. so i make no apologies - for being careful with working people's money and no - apologies for ruling out tax rises on working people. so let me spell it out. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise . national insurance. we will not raise vat. that is a manifesto commitment. applause. so that's how it looked and sounded just in terms of some of the numbers, there's the costings chart. yes, very detailed. yeah, and so i'lljust read it out. i've got a screengrab of it here. so revenue from closing further, non—dom tax loopholes — so that's people who live in the uk but make earnings abroad and don't pay the

keir starmer is putting — a huge issue. keir starmer is putting a _ a huge issue. people. don't— putting a lot of stress on telling people, don't worry, _ putting a lot of stress on telling people, don't worry, i- putting a lot of stress on telling people, don't worry, i will- putting a lot of stress on telling people, don't worry, i will not l putting a lot of stress on telling i people, don't worry, i will not hit you in— people, don't worry, i will not hit you in your— people, don't worry, i will not hit you in your pocket, _ people, don't worry, i will not hit you in your pocket, it _ people, don't worry, i will not hit you in your pocket, it is - people, don't worry, i will not hit you in your pocket, it is his- you in your pocket, it is his failure _ you in your pocket, it is his failure to— you in your pocket, it is his failure to rule _ you in your pocket, it is his failure to rule out- you in your pocket, it is his. failure to rule out these other you in your pocket, it is his- failure to rule out these other tax questions — failure to rule out these other

and keir starmer.naire in the socialist between you and keir starmer.— billionaire in the socialist between you and keir starmer. i don't know if i would call _ you and keir starmer. i don't know if i would call it _ you and keir starmer. i don't know if i would call it a _ you and keir starmer. i don't know if i would call it a courtship. - you and keir starmer. i don't know if i would call it a courtship. i - if i would call it a courtship. i did go to dinner with tony blair and keir starmer injanuary, but i after about two months ago i was completely vote lists and my thoughts on labour historically were very negative and what i've seen now, the more and more i have looked at labour is a transformation and a transformation that looks like mostly the exact direction i would want a political party to go in. keir starmer hits the spot with a lot of issues and looking after young people, his whole attitude to sorting out the labour party and making it, i don't know whether the expression is more right w

keir starmer, _ coverage. the pulls moved briefly. keir starmer, he's _ coverage.lls moved briefly. keir starmer, he's been leader - coverage. the pulls moved briefly. keir starmer, he's been leader for| keir starmer, he's been leaderfor quite a long time now, one of the things that people say about him is they still don't know what to labour wants to do and what keir starmer stands for. one of the big things that the tories day about labour �*s they have not got a plan. you think the main thing he will want to get out to say, we have got a plan, here is what it is. to be fair to labour, they spent quite a lot of time laying it out. so there's a risk for rishi sunak that he walks into a punch there and says they've told you nothing and keir starmer goes well, let me tell you all the things that i want to do.— that i want to do. how do you craft an answer— that i want to do. how do you craft an answer for— that i want to do. how do you craft an answer for the _ that i want to do. how do you craft an answer for the leaders - that i want to do. how do you craft an ans

what would ou circular keir starmer said no. what would you assess _ circular keir starmer said no., ~ ., debate? quite aggressive. more a: aressive debate? quite aggressive. more aggressive than _ debate? quite aggressive. more aggressive than i've _ debate? quite aggressive. more aggressive than i've seen - debate? quite aggressive. morel aggressive than i've seen before. debate? quite aggressive. more - aggressive than i've seen before. of aggressive than i've seen before. of course _ aggressive than i've seen before. of course it— aggressive than i've seen before. of course it is, — aggressive than i've seen before. of course it is, it's one—on—one. i think— course it is, it's one—on—one. i think that's _ course it is, it's one—on—one. i think that's the difference. when you have — think that's the difference. when you have debates with more people it does dilute _ you have debates with more people it does dilute that intensity. here you've — does dilute that intensity. here you've got them up against each other, _ you've got them up against each other, the — you've got them up

sir keir starmer was unable to meet our pledqe — starmer was unable to meet our pledge._ because today we learned that in a private meeting a shadow treasury minister— private meeting a shadow treasury minister has said that their net zero _ minister has said that their net zero policies are going to cost hundreds of billions of pounds. that's— hundreds of billions of pounds. that's not in their manifesto. will ou that's not in their manifesto. will you come back — that's not in their manifesto. ll you come back on that? that's not in their manifesto. will. you come back on that? two things, firstly. that's — you come back on that? two things, firstly, that's not true. _ you come back on that? two things, firstly, that's not true. what - firstly, that's not true. what darren jones was firstly, that's not true. what darrenjones was talking about, rachel reeves's deputy in the treasury team, is how much it would cost our economy to move to net zero by 2050. what the conservatives are trying to do is say that that cost is the cost of the labour manifesto for the next parlia

who is the real keir starmer is? who is the real keir starmer?— keir starmer is? rishi sunak, again — you will also see rishi sunak, again, with his scatter—gun splurging out these desperate promises with no idea how he will pay for— promises with no idea how he will pay for them. £70 billion worth of promises — pay for them. £70 billion worth of promises. the only way he is going to fund _ promises. the only way he is going to fund that — promises. the only way he is going to fund that is putting up tax or mortgages going up againjust like happened with liz truss. jellinek i'm sure — happened with liz truss. jellinek i'm sure he — happened with liz truss. jellinek i'm sure he will have his own answers— i'm sure he will have his own answers to _ i'm sure he will have his own answers to that point when he takes to the _ answers to that point when he takes to the debate floor. i want to pick up to the debate floor. i want to pick up on _ to the debate floor. i want to pick u e ., ., to the debate floor. i want to pick up on that point to 'ust a little bit more. * up

clearly for keir starmer it is a weak spot for i keir starmer it is a weak spot for him _ keir starmerot for him he— keir starmer it is a weak spot for him he is— keir starmer it is a weak spot for him. he is trying to attract, of course — him. he is trying to attract, of course he _ him. he is trying to attract, of course he himself is one of the main components— course he himself is one of the main components in parliament for a second — components in parliament for a second referendum. he doesn't hide the fact_ second referendum. he doesn't hide the fact that he is a remain but every— the fact that he is a remain but every time _ the fact that he is a remain but every time he is asked about it he is categorical that he does not want towin— is categorical that he does not want tojoih the — is categorical that he does not want tojoin the eu and does not want to bring _ tojoin the eu and does not want to bring back— tojoin the eu and does not want to bring back freedom of movement. however. — bring back freedom of movement. however, overthe bring back freedom of movement. however, over

, is your closing statement, keir starmer. g ., , starmer.message to you is simle. starmer. my message to you is simple- if — starmer. my message to you is simple- if you _ starmer. my message to you is simple. if you want _ starmer. my message to you is simple. if you want your - starmer. my message to you is simple. if you want your nhs i starmer. my message to you is - simple. if you want your nhs back, you have _ simple. if you want your nhs back, you have to— simple. if you want your nhs back, you have to vote or it. if you want a growing — you have to vote or it. if you want a growing economy, you have to vote for it _ a growing economy, you have to vote for it if_ a growing economy, you have to vote for it if you — a growing economy, you have to vote for it. if you want more police on the streets. _ for it. if you want more police on the streets, more teachers in our schools. — the streets, more teachers in our schools. you _ the streets, more teachers in our schools, you have to vote for it. if you want — schools, you have to vote for

it's obvious keir starmer what is interesting their— keir starmer what is interesting their electionather and you might think i'm a 180,000 people a month that are more satisfied _ 180,000 people a month that are more satisfied with the service they are getting _ satisfied with the service they are getting from the nhs, that is pretty good, _ getting from the nhs, that is pretty good, but _ getting from the nhs, that is pretty good, but if you look at it from the other— good, but if you look at it from the other end — good, but if you look at it from the other end of— good, but if you look at it from the other end of the pipe, the nhs sees about— other end of the pipe, the nhs sees about a _ other end of the pipe, the nhs sees about a million people every day, monday— about a million people every day, monday to — about a million people every day, monday to friday. so from that perspective, 40,000 a week feels like a _ perspective, 40,000 a week feels like a bit _ perspective, 40,000 a week feels like a bit of a drop in the ocean. it like a bit of a drop in the ocean. it shows— like a

is that not a problem for keir starmer ? starmer? >> it's not a problem for keir starmer.wife maybe, probably. >> or his wife maybe, probably. >> we do not want a situation. we do not want a situation clearly, where men can pretend to be women in order to gain access to safe spaces where women are properly protected. that's the harm that this whole debate is really addressed at. and what we need to ensure is that women have safe spaces, whilst at the same time recognising there are a small number of people whose gender is not clear . even at birth, there not clear. even at birth, there are small number of people who psychologically, at a certain stage in their lives , change in stage in their lives, change in those circumstances. we need to have some sensitivity about this debate. it is not a debate where we should be sloganising. >> so. so look, i mean, i'm going to be much more simplistic. i sort of agree with what you're saying, but clearly what you're saying, but clearly what keir is doing is chasing what keir is doing is chasing what he thinks, where he thinks popular

we were talking about keir starmer. keir starmer not being able.vate health to rescue, to help save somebody in his family , somebody he loves. his family, somebody he loves. who's on a. >> i found that the most . >> i found that the most. >> i found that the most. >> i found that the most chilling moment was the only way you could save them. well, the mask slipped a bit for me. it's a bit like the tax on private schools. it's about putting ideology before people. i'm a big fan of ideology, but at the expense of people that you love. and then being alive. i just found that really chilling, barbara said baby's got no sense of humour or irony. barbara said baby's got no sense of humour or irony . belly laugh. of humour or irony. belly laugh. you'll never see him do that, claire says starmer was trying to keep it real with the regular people lol . of course he'd use people lol. of course he'd use private health care. who wouldn't? i'm poor , but i'd take wouldn't? i'm poor, but i'd take out a loan if i needed to get private treatment. well, that's wha

why is keir starmer saying something else?i think it's an answer that of someone who's used to addressing rooms full of labour members and activists who treat the nhs much more as a religion. i think most ordinary voters just look at that and go, well, if it was my family, i don't think you hate the nhs. if you decide it might be better to go private, i i've always found it a weird answer, i just i don't get it. i don't think most voters, i also just think it chips away at the honesty and credibility side of it. >> i mean, maybe and then in the same breath he said, there with christopher, he said, i'm not being ideological about it. well, i think you are being very deeply ideological. >> if you're saying, i'm sorry, mum , but you can't get the mum, but you can't get the operation tomorrow because i don't believe it. >> it's fairly ideological to me. it is . me. it is. >> it is. what would you what do you think? you're the you're the labour man. could you if you were running to be labour leader? it's a matter of time. if you wh

bought keir starmer, is it reassurance?bour don't win anywhere near as many elections as the conservatives. absolutely, and when i say safety first, what i mean is he wants to ensure that people who are as it stands intending to vote labour and pats telling pollsters that, don't have second thoughts over the next week and it is of course worth bearing in mind that election day is notjust bearing in mind that election day is not just election bearing in mind that election day is notjust election day any more and a lot of people in the country might have already voted by post so there is that extra dimension to it that people might be pulling out that postal form tomorrow morning straight after watching this debate and every moment matters now for these two leaders. to and every moment matters now for these two leaders.— these two leaders. to mention the olls and these two leaders. to mention the polls and let _ these two leaders. to mention the polls and let me _ these two leaders. to mention the polls and let me ask _ these

actually having a laugh at sir keir starmer's expense when sir keir starmer's expense when sir keir starmer'sir keir starmer talked about returns agreements, rishi sunak said what are you going to do? how are you going to return people to afghanistan? are you going to do a deal with the taliban? and people laughed. so today i got to speak to sir keir starmer and i asked him how they expect to stop these crossings without a deterrent, let's see what he had to say when i suggested to him that the prime minister says labour will surrender our borders. >> i'm not going to take lectures from rishi sunak about our borders. record numbers of people are coming here in small boats. he's lost control of our borders , literally lost control. borders, literally lost control. not only of the numbers that are coming, but also who's coming. and so this is not just a border issue, it's a national security issue, it's a national security issue . the deterrent is smashing issue. the deterrent is smashing the gangs that are running this vile trade so that nobody, but nobody gets into a boat to cross the channel

but keir- starmer. .. either he changed his starmer...labour leader— electorate either, is it? he was the labour leader at _ electorate either, is it? he was the labour leader at the _ electorate either, is it? he was the labour leader at the time - electorate either, is it? he was the labour leader at the time and - electorate either, is it? he was the labour leader at the time and we i labour leader at the time and we were _ labour leader at the time and we were campaigning fora labour leader at the time and we were campaigning for a labour victory~ — were campaigning for a labour victory. that manifesto led us to the worst — victory. that manifesto led us to the worst election defeat in our history — the worst election defeat in our history. you canjudge keir starmer on his— history. you canjudge keir starmer on his actions since then, changing the party— on his actions since then, changing the party from top to bottom and that's— the party from top to bottom and that's why— the party from top to bottom and that's why we are doing well

— was as one of the warm—up acts for keir starmer unveiling that very glossy— keir starmer unveilingy to get to _ with sleeves rolled up and ready to get to work. and it underlined that whole _ get to work. and it underlined that whole image change that you talked about _ whole image change that you talked about some of the whole flow chart, the plan. _ about some of the whole flow chart, the plan, we are a changed party, and we _ the plan, we are a changed party, and we are — the plan, we are a changed party, and we are not the party ofjeremy corbyn. _ and we are not the party ofjeremy corbyn. his— and we are not the party ofjeremy corbyn, his predecessor and it looks different. _ corbyn, his predecessor and it looks different, we are pro—business, ready— different, we are pro—business, ready to — different, we are pro—business, ready to go, wealth creation. it was all about— ready to go, wealth creation. it was all about wealth creation. he ready to go, wealth creation. it was all about wealth creation.— all about wealth creation. he said that word a _ all about wealth creation. he

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keir starmer's made this broader point, but the point is — he's changed his mind on every major positionaken. sir keir jabbed back. "what about wider questions of culture in government?," he asked. this isn'tjust what's happened this week, last week in the gambling commission. we saw partygate earlier in this parliament. the prime minister himself was convicted and fined for breaking the rules which he brought in and imposed on everybody else. next, onto a question about benefits, as the exchanges got more punchy, energised, personal. and i just want to address beverly's point... you opposed it when i announced it. you literally opposed it. if you listened to people in the audience and across the country more often, you might not be quite so out of touch. beverly... applause you're going to have higher welfare under you, and that's why you can't deliver tax cuts the way that i can. and people should not surrender to this. if there's that much wrong with the system, who is the guy in charge of the system over the last iii years? why is it so bad? keir, you want to be in charge, but you ha

speaking on gb news, the labour leader sir keir starmer says it shows everything thatis starmer saysng that is wrong with the tory party. >> they went to him . >> they went to him. >> they went to him. >> i think he should come clean and say who knew ? he should take and say who knew? he should take immediate action against those that are being investigated, suspend his candidate. if

sir keir starmer.s where i was going with the question, and i was completely blindsided, frankly, by his answer. now, i was sitting across from him at the back of the back of that battle bus, the red leather battle bus, the red leather battle bus, the red leather battle bus, and his eyes were welling up and he just said, no, no, no, let me finish here. and he he said he said in terms that when he grew up, his dad was mocked by people for saying he worked in a factory. his dad stopped saying it in polite company. he stopped going out. he withdrew into himself because he felt that people didn't respect him. in the part of surrey he lived in, and that is keir starmer's lived experience of people laughing about his dad. and i think he probably thought that at school . i think thought that at school. i think he probably fought it in the early part of his life. and so when he hears it now on the political stage, even though he's in his early 60s, it cut him to the core. and he said so. and i think you and i

which i say, if you want politics -- chris: that a joke at nigel farage's expense paid this was keir starmer'sion. sir keir: i invite you to join our vision, turn the page, and rebud the country. thank you so much. chris: let's see who we can grab for words. what happens if growth does not happen? >> i reject this idea that we cannot be any better than we are today? no votes have been cast yet. we are certainly not complacent. we are fighting for every single vote. chris: is this to excite people? there?e there's nothing new, is >> this is a service program to deliver change this country needs. chris: are you going to win? >> a single vote has not been cast. we are fighting hard for every vote. we take nothing for granted. chris: you nailed that script, haven't you, just like that? [laughter] plenty here have a message to deliver, by hand and by bus. next outcome accrue in cheshire, and that question i want to -- next, crew in cheshire, and i want to put that question to keir starmer. what about capital gains tax, what about other tax? sir keir: what we have they manifesto full of hope and cha

when you last talked to keir starmer, i speak to keir starmer. >> all the time.him today. >> and how is he? is, he is he up for it? is he full of energy and how long has he been been preparing for this? he's he's in good spirits. >> he's determined. and you know why he's determined? because he knows great britain can be so much better than this. we don't need to have so many people on an nhs waiting list. we don't have to have to have young people priced out of the dream of home ownership. we don't have to have this chaos at our borders. keir starmer has got a plan to fix these problems and make britain great again. >> he'll be challenged by his support in the past. first for jeremy corbyn, that might hurt him. jeremy corbyn is not a candidate in this election. >> liz truss is still a candidate, though, does she? sunak's done nothing about her and she crashed the economy. but look, this is a completely changed labour party and keir starmer's own strength in changing the labour party and he will change the country as well. >> he says change and change is your big

sir keir starmer, the leader of the labour party, sir keir, will be answering the questions that you have sent in. so please keep them coming because this is the first of some interviews to come with other party leaders as well. tonight will be a show about all of the leaders. we have representatives from each of the three major parties. exactly two weeks before one of them takes hold of the keys to downing street. what has rishi sunak really got in store for the younger generation? for example , you'll have a set of example, you'll have a set of sanctions and incentives, and we will look at the models that are existing around europe to get the appropriate mix of those. >> there's a range of different opfions >> there's a range of different options that exist. >> for example. yeah >> for example. yeah >> i mean, is it right that people who don't do national service get the driving licence taken off? i suspect many of you think it is right, actually. so get in touch on that. and is sir keir starmer still in no man's land when it comes to his previous support for jeremy corbyn? >> when

keir starmer made _ trying to achieve today. keir starmer made a _ trying to achieve today. keir starmer made a point - trying to achieve today. lie: " starmer made a point of trying to achieve today. iie: " starmer made a point of criticising the tory manifesto for what he said was promising lots of things they could not be delivered. he also said he was not here to run a circus and took a swipe at the reform party leader nigel farage. there were not really any new big policies announced today. this was really today about setting out his stall. you can see he has got a picture of himself on it, multiple pictures of himself on it, multiple pictures of himself in the booklet itself, and the main thing he was stressing was really reiterating the changes he wants to introduced as the labour leader. introducing more nhs appointments, for example. recruiting new teachers. before he started we heard case studies of people who were making the case for why they want to do vote labour. we heard from a man who was suffering from cancer, who talked about having to wait longer than he w

as sir keir starmer says ? i'll as sir keir starmer says?essex in this pub. i'll ask him those exact questions. why why do you think the pm can't do this? why is he being what's holding him back, the problem he's got the prime minister is he doesn't know where this story ends because george osborne, the former chancellor, says that 40 people, four zero people knew about the date of the election before it was announced . but, we before it was announced. but, we know that the gambling commission has gone to all of the main bookies and said, send us details of anyone who put money in may, before the election was called on the date of the election. and we'll see. we'll check out if they are unked we'll check out if they are linked to rishi sunak. we'll check out if they are linked to rishi sunak . and i linked to rishi sunak. and i think the pm won't know the extent of this problem until that inquiry is finished. and that's why he can't really move and take any firm action until he knows how big the problem is. and he doesn't know it yet. and th

tonight, it's the turn of the leader of the opposition, labour leader sir keir starmer. r keir, welcome. thank you very much for having me on. my promise at the start of this interview is that what you say in the next half hour or so will be broadcast in full. i want to give you the chance to make your case, and want you to answer some questions, so if you would do your best to do that. one thing we should also make clear is you don't know what the questions are in advance. thank you. three weeks from today, you could be spending your first night in downing street as our new prime minister. are you ready? yes, i know that we've got to earn every vote and not a seat has been won yet and therefore i'm not complacent about it, but i've spent four and a half years changing the labour party, getting it into a position where we could put our offer before the country. we unveiled our manifesto, a manifesto for wealth creation and for growth, to fix the fundamentals and take our country forward. so, yes, we are prepared, we are ready, but i'm conscious that every single vote has

the debate because even if there was a draw, keir starmer was winning. because even if there was a drawoken. i felt unbalanced that keir starmer one, anyway, but he only needed to not collapse and he is so far ahead that that counts as a victory. i would agree with that assessment. the snap— would agree with that assessment. the snap poll gave a distinctive need _ the snap poll gave a distinctive need for— the snap poll gave a distinctive need for keir starmer. the discomfort that the prime minister felt about trying to defend the government's record was apparent. i think at— government's record was apparent. i think at times he got a little bit shirty— think at times he got a little bit shirty about it, and the apology did not handle — shirty about it, and the apology did not handle that particularly deftly and even — not handle that particularly deftly and even though you're broadcasting to the _ and even though you're broadcasting to the nation, what is happening with the — to the nation, what is happening with the audience, the audience reaction — with the audience, the audience rea

and, keir starmer and rishi sunak. britain. it's 2:23. and, keir starmer and rishi sunak . yes. 10. and he's done us the pleasure of joining us now, alastair stewart, thank you so much for joining us this sunny afternoon. tell us, did julie etchingham do a good job and how does she compare to you ? compare to you? >> julie etchingham did a fine job. i thought the format. i agreed with the 1 or 2 of the criticisms that your commentary was giving earlier. i thought the format stifled it slightly , the format stifled it slightly, and what had emboldened david dimbleby and i all thought after our debate back then. >> yes, they went head to more audience participation was required, which is the way we do it. >> on gb news with the people's forum hosted , and, and that sort forum hosted, and, and that sort of thing all the way back. but my main takeaway is i'm afraid we've got we can hear ourselves back in your, in your audio. >> so i think there must be the most almighty delay. we'll see if we can get this sorted out. alastair. we're gonna we're gonna come back to for us a bit, and we

keir starmer has arrived. the first of _ is happening? keir starmer has arrived.e with the director ofjournalism, jonathan munro, who of journalism, jonathan munro, who we ofjournalism, jonathan munro, who we heard from earlier. they are now standing, making chitchat, as they have to, waiting for the other person that is going to be taking part tonight, which causes rishi sunak. keir starmer has gone into the debate. basically they walk up the debate. basically they walk up the stairs you can see year into the university and then they go across a short courtyard, where they walk through, and that goes into the area that we have made into the debate studio. you may have seen some pictures, it is an intimate affair in there. i went in there earlier. around 150 members of the audience who are in there. and then there are two podiums quite close together, it has to be said, and then we will also have mishal husain. the gates have opened, which may be a sign. i am keeping my only row that i can see leading to the university, which is where the other cars have come in,

that is, of course, the leader of the labour party, sir keir starmer. ns that you sent in and do keep them coming because we're going to be doing many more interviews with the other party leaders. well, christopher hope asked the labour leader if he could guarantee that he would stop the small boats. now, bear in mind this interview came just after keir starmer had been gazumped by another journalist who said to him, what are you going to do with the bibby stockholm? what are you going to do with the bibby stockholm? and he couldn't answer it. so here's what he had to say to christopher . christopher. >> look, we want to get those numbers down. nobody but nobody should be making that journey, and the way to do that is to tackle the gangs that are running this vile trade. so we want to set up border security command, a new command, an elite command, bringing together all of our police and law enforcement , which will have new enforcement, which will have new powers, counter—terrorism powers to smash . to smash. >> these gangs don't want to rock betting to

the real keir starmer about somei the real keir starmer about some of them _ the real keir starmer abouteal keir starmer about some of them would be put off and maybe i the real keir starmer about some of. them would be put off and maybe it's putting _ them would be put off and maybe it's putting them — them would be put off and maybe it's putting them off— them would be put off and maybe it's putting them off but _ them would be put off and maybe it's putting them off but it's _ them would be put off and maybe it's putting them off but it's not- them would be put off and maybe it's putting them off but it's not making i putting them off but it's not making enough _ putting them off but it's not making enough to — putting them off but it's not making enou:h. ., , ._ putting them off but it's not making enou:h. ., , ., enough. to this day, with some of the voters — enough. to this day, with some of the voters out _ enough. to this day, with some of the voters out there, _ enough. to this day, with some of the voters out there, i _ enough. to this day, with some of the voters out there, i

and keir starmer, this a penis. 12 days time could be prime minister, is having to say, i agree with tony blair, it should be the other way round, shouldn't it? it should be, you know, there should be, you know, there should be, you know, there should be those that are in labour saying, i agree with keir starmer, we're streeting. the shadow health secretary is also showing leadership on this particular issue. he said he's depressed and said he was depressed and said he was depressed that this situation had arisen with jk rowling . had arisen with jk rowling. >> he said he'd changed his mind as well and he had said trans women are women. and now he says he doesn't want to say that anymore. we've had problems with rosie duffield, the labour candidate in canterbury, i believe, who seems to have been isolated from her own hustings and has been complaining that she couldn't attend. she can't have a dialogue with the labour leader about this . there was leader about this. there was then the controversy over whether or not

— keir starmer? instantly, i am in strasbourg _ keir starmer?n rights. i think keir starmer is in danger— human rights. i think keir starmer is in danger only if he makes a big mistake _ is in danger only if he makes a big mistake and i haven't seen him make any mistakes of any size during the whole _ any mistakes of any size during the whole of— any mistakes of any size during the whole of the campaign. i must say, i think— whole of the campaign. i must say, i think tim _ whole of the campaign. i must say, i think tim and all his colleagues who come _ think tim and all his colleagues who come on _ think tim and all his colleagues who come on these programmes are very brave _ come on these programmes are very brave because the campaign has been a disaster~ _ brave because the campaign has been a disaster. to start it off on the fourth — a disaster. to start it off on the fourthjuty_ a disaster. to start it off on the fourthjuly when we a disaster. to start it off on the fourth july when we have the euros, wimbledon, all sorts of distractions, it

the sir keir starmer it has been: this trust~ _ sir keir starmer it has been: this trust~ he — sir keirit, in their— trust. he clearly thinks that it, in their private polling, is a big negative _ their private polling, is a big negative for the conservatives. rishi _ negative for the conservatives. rishi sunak is not only having to defend — rishi sunak is not only having to defend its — rishi sunak is not only having to defend its own policies, but those of his _ defend its own policies, but those of his predecessor as well. that makes — of his predecessor as well. that makes it— of his predecessor as well. that makes it very difficult. he could easily— makes it very difficult. he could easily have been on the back foot. what _ easily have been on the back foot. what he _ easily have been on the back foot. what he has done is to come out very aggressively, much more aggressively than i _ aggressively, much more aggressively than i think— aggressively, much more aggressively than i think people realise, because he wants— than i think people realise, because he wants to — than i think pe

sir keir starmer history. sir keir starmer unveiled his party's key policies earlier , identifying policies earlier, identifying wealth creation as the number one priority and ruling out a return to austerity. now, after he was briefly interrupted by a protester, sir keir rejected rishi sunak's allegations of higher taxes, insisting there would be no new rises under a labour government. other than those in their manifesto . those in their manifesto. >> i don't believe it's fair to raise taxes on working people when they're already paying this much , particularly in a cost of much, particularly in a cost of living crisis . so let me spell living crisis. so let me spell it out. we will not raise income tax. we will not raise national insurance. we will not raise vat . that is a manifesto commitment i >> however, chancellor jeremy hunt disagrees, describing it as a tax trap. manifesto and chief secretary to the treasury laura trott disagrees with labour's numbers, insisting keir starmer's promises will mean highe