braun is the one that's leading, a shelf-funded businessman, running the campaign -- lou: ro keita hastalking trump. >> i don't dispute that. i think the mood out there is the outer. if you're there, you may be in trouble. and even if you're a supporter. lou: city congressman. >> the city congressman. lou: and in west virginia, he's an outsider now but he was inside a federal penitentiary for a while, don blankenship. and he's got what they call a checkered background in the great state of west virginia. he's a coal miner but also some of his miners died and he was charged with not following safety regulations and spent some time in jail as a result. >> spent a year in jail. as a matter of fact today, win lose or draw, he gets off of probation today. he talked about -- lou: what was the moral of the story. if you want to get off of probation, run for office? what's the deal? >> the bottom line is that people are willing to give a second chance to someone who is tough and wants to run. and he claimtion he's more trump than trump. lou: trump says he is. as a matter of fact he says don't