keith? >> ms. madison is stating her interpretation of what ms. madison said. sometimes we have a conversation and we get an impression. she's repeating her impression. obviously, she wasn't there. but she is certainly able to get her interpretation of what somebody else said and the gist of what was being conveyed. i mean that was -- that's standard conversation and communication. >> i would be inclined to overrule that objection. any decenting view from the commission? >> no. >> mr. kopp? >> yes. then online seven to line eight, the sentence beginning with i and finishing with the word am more prejudicial than probative, irrelevant. >> well, i actually don't have a problem with striking the last block of the sentence. three minutes over? the micro phone. the part whether and i still am. that's not relevant. but what i do believe is relevant, i is it explains why ms. madison took the action that she did, the concern that she had and that prompted her to take the actions that she took. >> i

keith? >> our response would be that this explains her mental state and motivation and why she's so emotional about this. we're not offering it for weather the child actually understood what is being said. but rather from ms. lopez's reason for her concern. chairperson hur: i'm inclined to allow the -- that -- that. any oks? >> no. >> and then the last sentence on page five beginning online 26 with the word "ass," all the way until the end of the sentence. we think there's no foundation and speculative and prejudicial. >> it pro ports to be a court. so when you say no foundation it's what she's saying this is what iliana said to her. whether it's true or not it's another question. but it's not being offered for that purpose at all. it's been offered saying this is what she said when she spoke to her. i was a little unclear as to the reason why it's being offered. >> i would be inclined to overrule that objection. any hundreding view -- any more questions from the commission? >> paragraph 12?

keith? >> we think that this does not offer -- well, this is offered to show the relationship between ms. lopez and ms. madison that is really relevant to why ms. madison chose to make the report and the kind of advice that she was giving to ms. lopez later. for that purpose, it is relevant. i mean, i think there is a lot of details in here that are probably not necessary. but it's offered simply to show the course of the relationship and the motivation for reporting later on. >> i would sustain the objection, the entirety of paragraph six. any decenting views from the condition? -- commission? >> i'm sorry, if i could just ask the commission to keep the first sentence simply that this was something that they discussed at this time without reference to the content or ms. madison's reaction to it. again, that just goes to the relationship. >> any objection to that mr. kopp? >> i'm sorry. i'm ok with this. >> so six will be stricken ex-cement for this first sentence. >> commissioner could i ha

keith? >> i would say that we would defeat the claim of bias that's being made against ms. madison and mr. burton the fact that they supported the sheriff in the campaign and that bias somehow motivated their reporting of this incident. chairperson hur: i tend to agree that and that it ised a miss missable to combat bias. -- that it is admissible to combat bias. any objection to that? ok. paragraph six? >> we object on relevance grounds as to its entirety. in addition we don't believe there is foundation or the last sentence and we believe that the last -- or -- excuse me -- the third sentence, we don't think there is foundation -- strike that. we also think that the last three, four, five, mr. kopp can you just say the line number? >> yes. >> is that easier? >> yes. >> we think that line 17 through 23 are speculative. again, more prejudicial than probative. >> mr. keith? >> we think that this does not offer -- well, this is offered to show the relationship between ms. lopez and ms. madison

keith? >> just a moment. chairperson hur: sure. so this is relevant for this reason -- sheriff has claimed in his public statements that she's refered to the custody laws as being powerful that he never called himself a very powerful man. the fact that this exchange happened and that ms. lopez was communicating that she had asked with her husband how this is a problem in the past that he had made the statement that he was a powerfulman and could use that to get custody with theo. the fact that there has been a previous discussion of this issue and her understanding of what he said tends to defeat the sheriff's claim that there was some kind of a misunderstanding that he was refering to the custody laws. if there were that misunderstanding would have been cured by that conversation. so the facthat she's saying we talked about -- this prompted a conversation before and she still had the same impression that he was threatening to use his power to use theo's shows that there wasn't a statement t

keith matthews was picked up and slammed down by the tornado. it sent the concrete walls toppling down on top of him. he's finally out of the hospital and talked with joce sterman during an exclusive interview. >> reporter: keith matthews detailing shop still show a few scars from the tornado that leveled it, but none compared to the ones on his body. the 44-year-old has a rod in his leg, a permanent souvenir of survival. >> that was a small tornado, you know. it still turned cars up and down, still ripped garage doors off. it still can bust concrete in half. >> landed here. >> landed me here in this bed. >> reporter: this is where keith will be staying for the next few weeks as he recover from his injuries. he was hurt when an f1 tornado tore through fallston and tore apart his garage. >> there wasn't any time for -- i bet you couldn't count to two before it was all done and over. >> reporter: it was over in an instant. when it was all said and done he was trabbed under the wall in any and terrified. >> wondered did inbound see me -- anybody se

the man, keith matthews.e is about to leave shock trauma and go to rea and has to learn how to walk all over again. 3500 pounds of stuff was on top of him. came to his rescue and saved his lifer. he's talking about that. it's a miraculous recovery. all of the rest of us are trying to get the power on. we're trying to repatient roofs that may have a hole in it but nothing like this in fallston. we have will be live tonight on abc2 news. we'll be right back right after the break. if you only have one device online, you get one speed, but if you have multiple devices and you're streaming video and gaming you get a different speed. verizon fios is different, it's 100% fiber optic. that means it's faster and can handle everything you do online. fios is america's fastest, most reliable internet. period. do you have the speed you need? take the speed test now at verizon.com/uptospeed. call the verizon center for customers with disabilities at 800-974-6006 tty/v. >>> on tonight's scam alert, a warning about those hot

keith? >> the objection to the declaration of inspector danielle, i will take the objections to the exhibit separately from the objections to the testimony. there were objections to paragraphs 27 through 32 of that testimony. 27 through 31 relate to the handing over of the sheriff's firearms. it begins with the service of an emergency protective order on the sheriff at the time of his arrest, an agreement made by the sheriff and his attorney with the police inspectors to turn over weapons, and statements by the sheriff with regard to the number of weapons he had, which ended up not being true. the objection that is made is relevance. the reason this information is relevant is that it is relevant to whether sheriff mirkarimi met the standard of conduct expected by a public official, and specifically by a law- enforcement officer. the law enforcement officer is inspected -- is expected to be honest in all aspects related to an investigation. it includes a declaration by chief lansdowne. not be

. >> reporter: he and his friend keith were inside what used to be a small auto shop. >> keith said get down. that's when i saw the wall twist. i saw the roof go over. keith was in the middle of the building. i saw him went down and i within the down. >> reporter: his scrapes and bruises are minor compared to keith's broken bones. >> i could see that much of keith's arm hanging out. >> reporter: he is now in the hospital. >> this was my office trailer. about 150 to 200 feet. >> reporter: john missed the storm by a matter of minutes. >> i had to run an errand. otherwise, i would have been in here. >> reporter: damage to trees, posts, fences. friends are taking up a collection for his medical bills. his fiance is just thankful he survived. >> definitely lucky to be may life. i'm so lucky ema not planning a tube ral. >> reporter: tornadoes also touched down in howard, carroll, prince george's county and anne arundel county. >> meteorologist bernadette woods has more on the 10 confirmed tornadoes in the state. i hit to -- hate to keep repeating the number but 10 is amazing. one is big news.

he was under the wall. >> reporter: friends rushed to help keith. he is now in the hospital recovering. >> i'm happy, i'm not planning a funeral. >> that's actually the floor that's on its ends. and my desk is actually under there. if i would have been under there, i would have been dead. >> reporter: he and others now left to clean up and rebuild what the tornadoes tore down. >> you can see we are standing in what's left of keith matthew's buildings. good samaritans have come through and cleaned this place up. as for keith, we are told that he is in a lot of pain but he is conscious talking to friends. family and friends are setting up a number of accounts to sort of help out keith and his family as they try to cope with this. he's the family's primary breadwinner. we are live in folston where the clean up is in full swing. derek valcourt, wjz eyewitness news. >> that is some of the worse damage we have seen from that storm. >>> coming up we're going to speak with more survivors from these tornadoes. gigi barnett reports where one of the strongest

. >> tony sadley and his friend keith matthews were inside what used to be a small auto shop. >> keithwn. i saw the wall twist and i saw the roof gone. keith was in the middle of the building. i saw him go down. >> tony scrapes and bruises minor compared to keith's broken bones. he's now in the hospital as his neighbors assess their own damage. >> there are a lot of automobile businesses in this section of fallston. in same parking lots there's damage to almost every vehicle from broken mirrors, dents, scratches and scattered glass. >> this was my office traitor that was 150 -- trailer that was 150 to 200 feet down there. >> he missed the storm by a water of minutes. >> i had to run are an errand. >> near by damage to trees, polls, fences issue even entire walls. friends are taking up a collection for his medical kills and his fiance thankful. . >> i'm so ki i'm in the plan -- lucky i'm not planning a funeral. >> dark valcourt. >>> our team coverage continues with more of the clean up in fallston. the worst damage down there. >> the tall oak trees used to provide a beautiful cover. tha

keith or ms. kaiser? >> chairman, if i might suggest, i think a lot of the admissibility arguments may turn on the arguments about the admissibility of the ivory williams decoration. the argument might be too abstract if we do not go first to ms. mattison. chairperson hur: here is my concern. we received that declaration only recently, and i do not believe the sheriff's team has had an opportunity to submit written objections. in scheduling discussions i had with the parties, i did ask if the council could be prepared to orally discuss the objections, if any, to ms. mattison. are you prepared to do that? ok. why don't we -- >> i am. chairperson hur: thank you. [inaudible] chairperson hur: before we get to -- i think it is a good suggestion. before we get to ms. madison and ms. williams, i have a couple of questions, in light of the rulings on the other witnesses. do i understand that you will not -- obviously, you will not have any need to cross-examine paul henderson. do you have any need to cross- exami

keith, why don't i do this. why don't i give you a chance to tell me that if there's anything different -- i think it all relates to the same issue. unless there's something different in there that we overlook that needs to come in. >> the fact is these witnesses experienced harassment. it seems that how witnesses are treated in a criminal action when they're getting calls like this -- again, i don't think the complaint is about press coverage. press coverage is inevitable in a case where you have as well known a defendant but they're getting the kinds of calls that suggest a campaign against miss madison and that's -- it seems to me taking all of that evidence out it simply takes -- it seems to me to be too much. i can understand taking out the the cease dean sift letter on the theory it come -- cease and desist letter that it comes from another attorney. i think it's too much to take out all of it. that would be my argument. >> when you go to paragraph 22 though, just in connection with the argument that mr. k

keith? >> if this is only offered to show why her state of mind and why she decided to do whatever she did, we do not have an objection for that purpose. we have an objection to it being an assessment about whether she was actually in danger. chairperson hur: i would be inclined to overrule this objection. i do not think this is being offered as an expert. it is being offered as her opinion. what value that has, there is some, -- >> we were not given on -- any of the facts on which she relied. we get none of the information. of course whatever she relied on would be here say. -- hearsay. chairperson hur: i would be inclined to allow it. questions from the commissioners? the objection is overruled. mr. kopp, do want to address the second objections? >> yes, in the third paragraph, and leave the portion objected to was the italian sized portion that the woman responded know. -- italicized portion that the woman responded no. that shows that she had not contacted any agencies or tried to connec

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keith? when can you respond? >> i am trying to build in time for us to meet and confer, and bundle the objections, so we can hopefully bring five or six for the commission to rule on, instead of 20. chairperson hur: it would be greatly appreciated. >> it will be hard, if i do not get them until the 25th. but i understand that we all have other cases. if i get the objections by the 25th, i could probably respond to them. if the commission is going to decide these on the 28, i think i need to get them on the 27th. and we would meet and confer. we would have something to say, here is the package of objections. >> but if you got them at 9:00 a.m. on the 25th? could you get them to us by close of business on the 27th? >> sort of an objection, response? that would work. commissioner renne: why is it that you cannot sit down tomorrow with a declaration in front of you, cross out all the lines you do not want in, i mean -- i practice law a lot longer than you. my sense would be that you could do that in the space of an h

see that much of keith's arm hanging out. >> reporter: keith is now in the hospital as the neighbors assess their own damage. there are a lot of automobile businesses in this section. >> this was my office trailer. it was 120 feet down there. >> reporter: john is one lucky to be alive, missing the storm by a matter of minutes. >> i had to run an errand, or else i'd be in there. >> reporter: even entire walls. keith matthews' business may be in ruins, but friends are taking up a collection for his medical bills and fiance just thankful he survived. >> he's definitely lucky to be alive. i'm so lucky i'm not planning a funeral. >> reporter: tornadoes touched down and three of them touched down over in montgomery county. back to you, adam. >> very serious. thank you. more on the clean-up in fallston, gigi barnett reports on the worst damage there. >> reporter: in hartfordcounty, they used to have cover. but now the wind power could be seen in the damage to the house. the wind twisted her neighbor's tree and smashed it into her roof. the family escaped the roof unscathed. even the horses

keith &pdaniels, live at police headquarters with a story yyu'rreseeing first on fox.. ke. keith.fer.... poliie have not released the little girl's name. the only thing they can tell us for noww. is that homicide detectives are investigating.... investigating..... p baltimore city police are trying to determine exactly what took place inside this upstairs apartment... what happened in tte death of a 1-year-old little girl. worse nightmare.." a parent's .......iivestigators say it all began witt a wedneeday morning 9-1-1 call for medical help at the hild's home on north ssricker street near lafayette avenue. parameeics say, when they unresponsive,,in cardiac arrest.(keith) "they also say the hild hhd bruises n her body. doctors pronounced her police have no comment about the bruises.. but they do say for now, it is a suupicious revelation for neighbors, who say they rarely saw the child.. or nyone else who paramedics say, when hey responded, the other was not home.. ooly the boofriend...a fact that's fueling speculation over a chiid's death, that police call, suspect. (mr. man) "he

a fund has been set up now for keith. we talked to his fiancee janice last night. he is recovering well, doing well. he is right now in the rehab facility, so that fund is set up courtesy of bb and t bank. you can take care of that. make your donations today and help out the matthews family. linda stow is a quarter mile down the road with how recovery efforts are going there too. >>reporter: most of the businesses have reopened here at the building of the farston pharmacy. you can see a tarp covering most of the building. we're told everything inside was okay, it was just the damage that was done to the roof. and when all that rain came down, it soaked the insulation, so we're told some subcontractors are working here to pull that insulation out, just to make sure the ceiling doesn't collapse or the walls don't collapse. cleanup continues in neighborhoods across falston. we saw this crew clearing out trees from someone's back yard yesterday. joseph tells us he's been busy since last week, removing trees, pullingle out trees and clearing the road. >> we've been busy

i think if the market did what keith is anticipating, keith would be right. i don't think the market will do what keith is anticipating. he'll talk, won't do a continuation of qe 3, then the market will cover and go higher, scott. >> keith. >> like i said, heads you lose, tails you lose. he doesn't have a choice. no matter what he does he's in a box. if he doesn't give drugs, commodities trade, goes down, if he does give you the drugs you're going to have the extent of viagra in terms to how long you can hold onto trades. basically what happened here, everybody in the room knows it, every executive qe reaction in the commodity market shorter and shorter lived. that's the biggest problem here. qe does not deliver the elixir any of these other central planners want you to believe, which is gross. if it doesn't give you gross, market put a lower and lower multiple, intermediate term, that's the bigger concern. >> in other words, though, keith, if he doesn't do that, which is exactly what you said, he should realize that it hasn't worked, won't work, that's why i

. >> keith, what about that? what about the timing of this, and, of course, nancy pelosi says today she thinks it's because he did a good job going after the voter purge? >> this is about getting holder and embarrassing barack obama. not smooch about fast and furious, susan agreed and katherine pointed out they could have done other things to purr stew that. you had an instance where one atf agents testified at this hearing not long ago, a year ago. when you mention the issue of gun control as something that could be done to sort of stop this sort of cross-border issue, immediately congressman issa shut him down and told him that was not relevant testimony and refused to allow him to discuss that. how do you say you're concerned about stopping the problems if you're not willing to do something about it? of course it's political and skeptical. susan, you may agree with me. this may backfire against the republicans. >> it is political, and nancy pelosi's comments were highly political. this probably could have been

keith, what is next? maybe an ad that says instead of putting money in your children's college fund why not put it in the re-election campaign? is there no end to what the monsters will do? >> obama and the campaign, they love hollywood. maybe this is a strategy to get the hollywood couples married and get them together. brad and angelina. burt and ernie. >> muslim interloper ssments sorry, i have been reading some blogs. >> here is the thing, according to the obama administration, every woman is a julia, right? this fits in. he should be giving the bride away. shouldn't he be there at every wedding? >> he donated enough that he should. >> he should be there. >> why did i agree to do this show anyways? >> by the way, what is the title of this? it is obama's -- what is it? what is the title of this -- >> donation? >> it is obama something registry, what is it? well the acro anymore is -- what is it. >> gift registry? >> eor. >> are you not supposed to ask questions you don't know the answer to. >> it stand

keith? >> well, i think this goes back to an issue we raised at the last hearing, which is the duty of a representative to cooperate, and these materials would have normally been provided to us. they would have been given to us by the employee, and if the employee did not want to cooperate, they would resign. this is typically the way these things go, and this one has not gone that way. we have been going to the court. from our standpoint, most significantly are the telephone records described in the criminal action. our hearing is not until june 5, so we are on a very tight timeline. what i would like to do is get discovery of this telephone records. chair hur: a stick, hold on, before he speaks. -- ok, long on. you are willing to go to the evidentiary hearing based on the -- >> quote-unquote, they used the term "discovered." it should be a package of information that they have. they should not have to search their records. it is there. we but like to get that. various witnesses. it is impe

keith, what is your view, with respect to pare graph for? -- paragraph 4? >> this is basically recording the past relationship, establishing the relationship and the existence of loud arguments, which is about what is going on in the background of this relationship, leading to the incident on the 31st. chairperson hur: i think paragraph 4 is irrelevant. i welcome the views of my fellow commissioners. i do not see why we need to get into what the person could or could not hear, prior to december 31, 2011, particularly when the statement is he never personally had seen ross acting physically abusive toward eliana. any dissent from the commissioners? paragraph 4, objection sustained. it shall be excluded. paragraph five, mr. kopp has objected on hearsay grounds. i have heard the objection, based on hearsay. do you have a view, as to the need for paragraph 5? >> there is not a here say problem. it is just saying what the witness knows about. >> i will withdraw my objection. chairperson hur: ok. herger of 6, there was an objection based on hearsay. could you add

." >> reporter: when keith harris' son tim was born, that smile-- that halfhearted smile-- was all heour pediatrician, he asked me did i know what down syndrome was. and the world turned black at that moment. it sure is pretty tonight out here. >> reporter: what a difference 26 years makes. today here in sonny albuquerque, you'd be hard pressed to find a more glowing father than keith harris. or a more shining example of what truly great parenting can accomplish. keith and his wife jeannie-- who also have three typical boys-- have raised them all with the same high expectations. as a result, they're all successful. but none more successful than tim who not only lives on his own... >> he works for me. >> reporter: he owns his own restaurant. >> hey, guys, welcome to my place. >> reporter: in fact, as far as we know, tim is the only person with down syndrome in the country who owns a restaurant. >> all of us dads want our kids to have a life where they are independent, happy, secure. >> reporter: that's why tim's dad, a small business owner himself, provided the initial investment. othe

keith daniels, live in east baltimooe here saw first on fox...keith.ou - keith. jennifer... we're live riggt in the middle of the johns hopkins hospital complex................a very active child safety group is located behind me.. ..........and tonnght.. addocates there are questioning the safety of transporting studeets in cabs... the concern is coming ffom advocates at the johns hopkins children's safety center at the bloomberg hampton house. reaction, after hearing about 7-year-old douglas dorsey.. the second grader who sufferee aaconcussion fter his cab, hireddby baltimore city schooos, wrecked monday morning on the way to class. then his father learned his son was not weariig a seatt belt. commany managers say taxis,,like sshool buses, under maryland law.. are exempt from requiring passengers to buckle up. dangerous circumstance. (ms. mcdonald) "it's our reeponsibblityyas adults, as teachers, as administrators, police officers, dooctrs to look out for safeey and to make decisions and policies that priorities the safety of children." 3 school fficials have nnt returned

keith was working at his detailing shop on route one in fallston almost a month ago when the tornado struck. what a story from joce sterman. then we deal with this to prevent millions of student loans from getting a rate increase. those stories and more all coming up for uptonight at 6:00. if you have copd like i do, you know how hard it can be to breathe and what that feels like. copd includes chronic bronchitis and emphysema. spiriva helps control my copd symptoms by keeping my airways open a full 24 hours. plus, it reduces copd flare-ups. spiriva is the only once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that does both. and it's steroid-free. spiriva does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives, vision changes or eye pain, or problems passing urine. other side ef

keith. he can say he agrees or disagrees. i do not see any reason why it takes weeks to do something on a piece of paper you have gone from page 8 and 9 now. you have 13 pages left. i appreciate that you have other cases. i am sure your client believes that his case is number one. i believe the mayor believes his case is number one. he wants to get it done. >> i appreciate your confidence in me. however, if i were to say i could have this done by close of business tomorrow, or even early thursday, and i am able to do that, i do not want to commit to a schedule i may not be able to make. i will tell you -- can i and -- commit to friday? would that make everyone happy? commissioner renne: it might make some, but it would not make me happy. it seems to me that if i can get it to mr. keith by sometime on friday, sooner rather than later, that would solve the timing problems, would it not? chairperson hur: in light of that, when would you be able to get us in the -- >> if mr. kopp is available to meet on monday afternoon, we could

keith daniels, liie at policeehhadquarters with a story you are seeing first on fox.. keithh keith.eff and jennifer..... police are not calliig it a murder just yet..... but tonight, they say homicide detectives are nvestigating 33pp ollce say it all bega this mmrning with a 9-1-1 call &pfor mmdical help at the child's home on north stricker street near lafayette avenue. paramedics say, when they arrived at the upstairs apaatment, they found the child in carriaa arrest. bruises on her ody. doctors pronounced her dead at an area hospital. paramedics say, when they responded, the mother was not home.. only the boyfriend...a fact that's fueling speculatton over a child's death, that police call, suspect. ////////////////sot///////////// (mr. man) "he know whht line. ain't nothing he bottom puspicious about it. if he don't know what happened, then t's suspiciouu. other than that, you already know what happpned."(ms. turner/neighbor) "i don't want to jump to any connlusions -be parents or anything, but i mean, suspicious death?" no chargesshave been filed. police say they're waittng on t

keith and mr. kopp, do either of you have an objection to ms. lopez appearing by skype if payment of her plane ticket cannot be worked out? >> no. >> commissioner, i do not know if we have an objection. the reason is this. when this issue was raised by the other side, we did some research into the validity of oaths and testimony given from abroad. it is not clear to us that, under the various treaties that govern these, that the oath would be valid. i do not have any other problem with the testimony being by skype. we are not convinced that the of itself would be valid, and we are not sure if that is a risk we want to take, given the validity of the oath. >> let us say that we take the testimony. we get the transcript. we send the transcript to ms. lopez. she signs the transcript, under penalty of perjury. does that obviate your concern? >> i think it would. >> great. thank you. i apologize. this is the third time i have asked you to come up, and i appreciate your willingness. indeed. do you have any objection to bringing the transcript, if this

>> keith, you're on the air. >> caller: hello? >> guess keith can't hear us. we'll move on to atlanta, georgia. sam, can you hear us? sam, good morning. okay. we'll try another person are you with us? >> we're thrilled. >> caller: from the offset mr. kelleher said he was not a lobbyist. he said he was working for the public interest and that's why he wasn't a lobbyist. the question is, where are you receiving your funding? we don't lobby. the lobbying is a particularly defined term in the law. our funding comes from a hedge fund manager in atlanta who got involved in the legislative process in '08 in connection with the oil price run-up. i don't know if you remember early '08. but the oil prices went up to the highest at $148 a barrel. and gas prices were going up way over $4 a gallon. and at that point he got involved because he saw, again from atlanta and not wall street, what wall street was doing in the commodity markets. so he got involved in actually testifying in congress, wrote some white papers, did some research. the financial crisis hit and he becam

keith just said. this red herring of witness dissuasion has consumed an incredible amount of time and effort and energy and it does not -- should have no place here. what mr. keith just told you is not true. mr. mertons was interviewed by the police and was asked, did it sound like the sheriff was feeding his wife lines to tell you, to try to dissuade you? the response was no. it sounded like he was on another phone call together. this has been a complete waste of time and an effort to publicly tar the sheriff with something that is not just on provable, it is false. -- unprovable, it is false. chairperson hur: cat i invite you back up? -- can i invite you back up? the list you provided was longer than the list i provided. i apologize if it was not clear. who we need live are -- i put together a list of 3 witnesses we would need. the mayor, the sheriff, and miss lopez. -- ms. lopez. council has added mr. mertons and ms. williams. who i want to address, lynette haines, and ivory madison who was also on