>> because, don, we have to put it in the context when you think about as attorney general keith ellison said, this was the longest sentence that a police officer had ever received in the state of minnesota, and on top of that, it is the first time in the state of minnesota that a white police officer has been sentenced to prison for killing a black person on top of that, don, we have to look at the progress we're making. mcdonald shot 16 times in the back by a chicago police officer, convicted of second degree murder just like danger shoefren. he only received six years in prison. the young man in dallas who the white police came in and shot him in his own apartment and she claimed self-defense. the jury convicted her of first degree murder, and she only received ten years for a prison sentence. today we're steady making progress. do we have further to go? absolutely, but we're make progress in our quest for accountability. >> okay. another question, ben. federal charges against chauvin still pending. do you think he could still get the maximum sentence? you heard his brother saying the