with informants that made no sense and the funny thing is along this ride, so glad he's here, keith finley, one of the founders of the wisconsin innocence project. he was working on my case for years and there were students assigned, and stuff like that. so stuff was going on. i was many times so he could see what was going on and essentially, people stopped pleading guilty to the rule infractions and the sanctuaries on-- they couldn't fill up the bed space in the segregation unit. and what is segregation, it's beds. what does wisconsin have a problem with, overcrowding. someone was going to the hole. it's like a ticket quota system and it happens real life, real time inside of these institutions. so let's jump into the book is two parts, the first half discusses your experience as a victim of the criminal justice system and the second half, becoming an advocate condition the system. i don't quite know where to begin and you were talking about the injustice that you suffered, but what stands out to me is the way that the criminal justice part happened. but the background is that you have g

keith finley from, you know, the founder of the -- one of the founders of the wisconsin innocence project, we was working on my case for years and there were students assigned. carl williams and stuff like that. so as stuff was going on, i was showing it to them real time so they could see what was going on. essentially, people stopped pleading guilty to these rule infractions and we started doing, you know, writ of certoris on it and they couldn't fim up the bed space in the segregation unit. think about it. what is in segregation? it's beds. what does wisconsin have a problem with? overcrowding. somebody was going to the hole. it's like a ticket quota system and it happens real life, real time inside of these institutions. >> so let's jump into the -- the book is two parts. the first half discusses your experience as a victim of the criminal justice system and the second half discusses your journey to become an advocate within the system. i don't know where to begin talking about your -- the injustice that you suffered. what stands out to me at least is the way that the criminal justice