>> well, in 2004 or 2008, i'm sorry, if you remember, they had chris matthews and keith olbermann leading debate coverage and got huge amount of pushback from people internally at nbc saying, how can we do this, how can we let primetime bleed into what is supposed to be standard news coverage? >> to the point that when it came convention time and election night, msnbc brought david gregory over from the nbc side so a neutral journalist would be in that chair. this time, not only does msnbc go with the commentator -- and they were relatively restrained. you didn't hear that much -- we heard a few things. nobody seems to care. there was no flack about it. >> i think -- i actually looked back to see what phil griffin said in 2008. and he basically said, you know, it's tough to balance because the ratings are so good when you have incendiary figures of one political bias or another commenting during coverage. >> phil griffin, of course the president of msnbc, and just the other day was quoted as saying that pat buchanan, one of the few conservative commentator on that network, is off the air