joins me now, keith mayes, a historian from the university of minnesota, and joshua johnson, anchor of" my colleague also at nbc news and n nb c news now." welcome to both of you. let me phrase the question this way. rashid darden in 2018 wrote the following: students don't typically have a great understanding of the civil war, reconstruction, the jim crow south, the racist north. there is really not much after harriet tubman until we get to the civil rights movement. their body of knowledge is focused on those couple of things rather than the interconnectedness, the intersections. that's why i wanted this conversation to not only utter the words critical race theory. really what this is about is how do we improve the education history in america. keith, where do we begin? >> we begin by telling the truth, chuck. i think you're right that all of these things are interconnected. i was listening to the conversation you had with nikole hannah-jones, and 1619, indeed, is a starting point. but we have to talk about the black colonial american experience or the experience of people of color

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