keith russell rejected the plan. well, some of the cranes supporters question the strategy and don't place much of face in its viability was cross live now to url rasmussen retired lieutenant colonel and international security consultant are going to have you on the program with us versus you in a mass that are set among other comments that zalinski is ready to push the world in into world war 3 in order to stay in power. what are your thoughts? it is to have focused on achieving peace or all out escalation. and do you think the end result matters at all to the west? no, i, i actually, i think um mr. zalinski needs a proposal both as a piece the initiative uh previously on this uh victory plan or whatever. um it, it, it's not realistic it's, it's basically uh, it's not realistic for a basis for negotiation. and it's just pushing. i agree and pushing a, pushing more, it's sacrificing more and more ukrainians. and it's a, it has nothing to do with peace nor any type of real. who's the guy you know, on the side, on that