for more inset, we are joined by trend micro chief security tom kellerman.t they have sold any of this data, or at least a lot of it. why not? >> because there is a lot of the data out there. supply and demand. there is a tremendous amount of stolen credentials and credit cards and debit cards that are for sale in a robust economy that exists in eastern europe. we have been hemorrhaging sensitive u.s. information for decades now since 1995, and what we need to appreciate is security needs to be improved. >> absolutely, because this latest attack, what this company has found, is that it is by far the biggest amount of data that has been gathered? >> it seems that way, but from my perspective, the numbers might yield little bit overblown. it could be a realization of multiple attacks over the past four months as we suffered a significant breach with the phenomenon where many websites were essentially leaking passwords over the past four months due to vulnerability. >> what do companies need to do, tom? seeost companies need to security as being a functionality