kellyanne: it is doubtful. these are growing pains. the democratic party has grown so far to the left it is an uncomfortable place for hillary clinton. the republican party has growing pains to figure out the populist, conservative axes that it must deal with. historically, people will look back and say this was the election where electability was no longer the gold standard. who can win. who can win. for conservatives that is a huge relief. this is the year the electricity supplanted electability. both parties underestimated the insurgent outsider candidate in bernie sanders and donald trump. charlie: final word? guest: my fear or my thought on this, even if hillary clinton wins in the course of this, she is going to get elected when a majority of the company distrusts her and dislikes are. with a split senate, a split house of representatives in the course of this. the american public will be forced to choose between two people they both don't like and don't trust and they are going to choose hillary clinton in the course of this. un

thank you very much kellyann, thank you matt, thank you, chris, thank you, matt. again, congratulations, chris, be right back. stay with us. helen miren is here. she is an emmy, tony and academy award-winning act ree. in 2003 she became a dame of the british empire. how about that. pauline kail once wrote of her probably no other actress can let you know as fast and economicically as she can that she is playing a distinguished and important woman. miren stars in "eye in the sky" she plays a high ranking british officer leading a mission to capture one of the most wanted terrorists in the world. here is a look at the trailer. >> this is colonel powell. she will walk you through the capture of asa susan danford. >> we have intelligence of meeting between damford and four and five on our most wanted list. >> we believe that they're connected to the recent suicide bombing in kenya. we have information that they will be in this house today. this is an operation to capture not kill. >> range, 20,000 feet. >> you have your orders, lieutenant. your job is to be the eye in

there's a controversy -- >> he -- >> kellyanne, i got to finish. there's controversy over whether he was fired on the campaign or quit. he left on not good terms. >> he's involved, i promise. >> the only personal who has been accused of dirty tactics was governor kasich accusing cruz in engaging in double -- >> so it's okay that people are being threatened. >> there are accusations by both candidates that ted cruz -- >> i'm sorry, you're a very nice be person, but are you going to look the viewers in the eyes and tell them it's a false report that they say they will publish where the hotel is. >> we saw it on video so we can't say it's false but -- >> i'd like to see donald trump stand up and say cut the crap. >> i would like to see ted cruz stand up against the people in michigan -- >> there's a couple of things hurting donald trump. the first thing was the calendar. there were two weeks before wisconsin, he looked like he was going to lose all the way and he loses and then two weeks after. he's been in this vacuum where i think he's had political

kellyanne: my pleasure.ld you appraise a ted cruz's current chances to become the republican nominee? kelly ann: they are great. we started out with 17, we are down to three. he can win outright with 1237 delegates, there is a chance of him doing that. and the big plus is to go into an open contested convention having a respectably high number of delegates across a swath of states, head into the convention as the outgoing favorite. given the fact that mr. trump has a whole bunch of people who would like to stop him from being the republican nominee. mark: how do you super pac's plan to spend the resources over the next month to help him become the nominee? tv ads, other things? kellyanne: really, we are looking at wisconsin. it is important, a great test for whether or how hard people can follow some of the incentives forced upon them recently, particularly by one messenger. also in wisconsin, it is a relative test for retail politics. you have contests coming so fast and furiously, we really have missed, th

here in new york, matt flegenheimer and kellyanne conway. cruzeads a pro-ted superpac. i begin with chris matthews pretty take me back to how you solve this. he moment you asked these questions. do you think you thought about this at all before? chris: it was a question from the audience. a young woman asked about abortion rights. i asked him the question on my mind. what do we do in terms of enforcement. woman beim, should the abortion?ho has an he took a while to answer and he said yes there ought to be some punishment for the woman. what about the guy involved? he said no, not him. later they retracted it.

kellyanne: good to be here. good to be here. candidate anda now you are hosting primaries.ut that, but let us start with when you got out of the race. you said clearly you thought other folks should get out, the person you deem to the front runner, and listen. scott walker: i thought the plurality on the majority dispersed among many. i hoped others would follow at least sooner. they eventually did, but more time, more money, primary and uses. is -- cauc i'm excited wisconsin is no small way. a you can argue it is a big way. i talked about way back symptom or 21. mark: let's talk about you and donald trump. that before he was the presidential candidate, he was a big supporter of yours. you had some warm conversations. he said nice things, publicly and privately. he was in your state, and he says, you do not look like a motorcycle guy. those of the biggest fighting words. i am elected almost to repeat them to you. how about your history? did you misjudge his character, the kind of person he is? scott walker: no, i had 320,000 supporters, and i am glad mr. trump was one of th

kellyanne laid out, that he's a phony, not really a conservative.three, it is an electability and a women's message. >> looking ahead to the biggest kellyanne, looking ahead to the biggest delegate prize of all remaining, california -- of the 53 congressional districts in california that are basically holding separate elections, how many of those are districts that ted cruz can win? kellyanne: we have identified about half of them that we think can compete in viably. it always comes down to resources. certainly time and treasure. we certainly have looked at the state, looked at the 12 different media markets, the 12 different congressional districts. we are also doing that in indiana. california just is this huge -- you have to think about the 53 separate races you would be running, and winnowing it down -- we don't want to do scattershot. we believe in focusing. i want to echo what tim said about the women's message. donald trump losing to hillary clinton is fairly new. he was at better parity with her early in these contests, and i think the last

ted cruz. >> kellyanne's point, gets a ground game together.fort that's supposed to be so -- >> establishment? >> yeah. what's going on. >> does the cruz campaign have a better ground game than the trump campaign? >> yes but they've also had the best data team, best digital and field team. they have the most sophisticated republican apparatus since obama came on the scene since 2008. that said the reason he's doing so well in a lot of these states, colorado, wyoming, nebraska, probably going to do well in indiana is republican establishments and conservatives have coalesced around ted cruz as the anti-trump candidate. you have these in-state infrastructure and national infrastructures, they have decided to put their ducks in ted cruz's basket. >> kellyanne, you want to hear this because donald trump in buffalo is saying ted cruz is just buying delegates. >> that's rich for a billionaire. >> now, i could have done really well because i'm very good at dealing with the bosses, but you know, you've had it and you say forget it, you can take them ou

. >> so to kellyanne's point, get your ground game together, right? so what happened? even now with them going back to get these delegates, the cruz campaign, you know, this guru paul manafort that is suppose to be so -- >> establishment. >> what's going on? >> they're looking where they can win their votes. >> does the cruz campaign just have a better ground game than the trump campaign? >> it's not just that they have a better ground game, which they do. they also have had by the way the best data team, and the best field team. they have the most sophisticated republican national apparatus than we have seen since obama came on the scene in 2008. that said, the reason he's doing so well in a lot of these states, especially these caucus states is colorado, wyoming, he's going to do well in nebraska, probably in indiana as kellyanne will tell us is also that the republican establishment and not just establishment, the movement conservatives have coalesced around ted cruz as the anti-trump candidate. so you have these in-state infrastructures and national infrastructures

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kellyanne, ivanka just had her baby, what, two weeks ago? >> what's being a mom meant to you?ow has it changed you? >> i think it's changed me in almost every capacity. i think it's made me a better person and a better wife. i think i'm much more empathetic, once you start thinking about a bigger picture outside of yourself. it's easy to be very self-centered when you're young and you're single and obviously it started when i got married and i became a we and having kids brings it to a whole different level, putting them first and they become very much the center of your universe. >> that sounds exhausting. >> and it's exhausting. it's really the most amazing type of challenge that you can't prepare yourself for and so unbelievable rewarding. i have three children now under the age of 4 1/2 and it's exhausting but it's the perfect kind of chaos. >> wow. >> so just your normal mom here? >> she certain appears to be. ivanka, congratulations on your beautiful baby and that body to go with it. i have four small children myself. it does change you. people see us all on tv. it's a h

. >> kellyanne and i speak, you are a geek and aers nerds.are the trend lines, the analyt analytics. the question to both of you, do you think that donald trump has the ground game that is necessary to win wis -- not only wisconsin at this point but the other primaries possibly or other delegates that may have been missing? like he's going back in kentucky. do you think donald trump can do that? you have all these geeks and nerds looking at ways to do things that the trump campaign may not be doing. >> if you want me to point to one deficit of the trump campaign it would be that. he got 18 of the 25 delegates in north dakota. the first six delegates awarded at the colorado convention. that's because of the infrastructure, data analytics. i don't think that trump's deficits are the people around him. they are very talented professionals. their candidate has been the front-runner for almost a year, practically since the day he announced. you can't create data analytics and infrastructure overnight. and it's starting to cost him. if we get to a

kellyanne: we have identified about half of them that we think can compete in viably.ys comes down to resources. at theainly have looked state, looked at the 12 different media markets, the 12 different congressional districts. we are also doing that in indiana. just is this huge -- you have to think about the 53 separate races you would be running, and winnowing it down -- we don't want to do scattershot. we believe in focusing. i want to echo what tim said about the women's message. donald trump losing to hillary clinton is fairly new. he was at better parity with hurley are in these contests, and i think the last months have shown a temperament or judgment and specific comments judging women who get illegal abortions, cruz's xerseidi have -- pictures have cost him. >> we have very little time left for you. if that's right, it ted cruz can compete in half of the california congressional districts, how many can kasich beat him? additional handful, which would get trump under a majority of delegates potentially in california. >> kellyanne conway and tim miller, thank y

and we're here with kayleigh mcenany, gloria gorger, donna brazile, kellyanne.g to talk about reince priebus, but i want to talk about the shockingly low approval numbers among women that trump has. but women in his family have a different story. look. >> i think the facts speak for themselves. i have witnessed these incredible female role models that he's employed in the highest executive positions at the trump organization my entire life in an industry that has been dominated by men, is still dominated by men but certainly was when he was starting out in his career and he was employing some of these women and raising them through the ranks. for me i think the way he raised me and raised tiffany, it's a testament to the fact that he believes in inspiring women, empowering women. he taught me there wasn't something i could doesn't if i set me mind to it, if i had deep passion and unearthed what i wanted to do with my life and worked very hard to achieve it. i don't think that's the message a father would relay to a daughter he didn't believe had the potential to

. >> joining us to do that is a senior adviser to the republican campaign, barry bennett and kellyanne conway and cnn political commentatocommentator. guys, thank you so much for being here. mary katherine, let me ask you first. if this contest goes tonight as people think it will, meaning cruz wins, trump's two, and kasich is three, what's the race look like tomorrow? will bit a whole new world? >> i think cruz can continue to make the argument tonight if he wins tonight he can take this to the convention. i'm not even sure if possibly he can win outright at this point the delegates but he's certainly the guy who has the potential to take on trump. and as far as trump goes, his brand is winning, winning, winning. when he's not winning, his brandst working well. he's had five positions on abortion in three days, so he's had some trouble. >> barry, if it doesn't go well for donald trump today, what does that look like for the next two weeks? that's a long time to have to stew. this is a bigger gap than we receive in the primary calendar. >> two weeks ago we thought we didn't have a chan

. >> kellyanne is right. and david is absolutely right. if he does win the nomination, he would have spent the last six months attacking the establishment he needs in his corner to win. and if you talk to those donors, even though he's worth $4 billion or $10 billion, however much he's worth, people aren't going to want to give him money, they're not going to want to knock on doors or pass out leaflets. he has to be careful who he attacks. >> what happens if donald trump gets very close to the number and then doesn't win and the rnc takes it away from him or at least it's viewed that way? i think that reince priebus and the rnc are playing a much more dangerous game. if donald trump is the presumptive nominee or would be the presumptive nominee if his name wasn't trump and he comes within 100 or 150 delegates, i understand the rules are the rules, you have to get to the number but on the second or third ballot you end up with a nominee who has 400, 500 less delegates like ted cruz, then the republican party is playing a dangerous game beca

to kellyanne's point, you could have had it wrapped up, you brought in paul manafort to fix the delegate watch what happened in wyoming. the mauling behind closed doors in georgia. it hurts on a second and third ballot. are you concerned that the campaign doesn't have its act together despite these changes when it comes to wrangling delegates? >> here in new york, first of all, with he made a 108 degree turn and we've gotten the endorsement of the majority of county chairs. states like georgia, i don't know if this is a message ted cruz wants to be portraying out there, that he may not win with voters but he's going to win in back door deals. 500,000 people came out in georgia to vote for donald trump with the expectation that the people they elect as delegates would go there earnestly and honestly and support donald trump. when they don't get that, they have a right to be upset. >> i read the rules somewhere between last august and this april. >> i'm not saying anything ted cruz is doing is illegal -- >> thank you. >> it's not what the american voters want to hear. if you're in one of t

. >> kellyanne, you could feel you shaking your head behind me as he was saying that. >> in agreementcially that the expectations are high for donald trump. there's one contest on the calendar form in new york. there's been two weeks since the last contest in wisconsin. when texas won his home state, it was super tuesday. there were 12 contests, not one, and there were more candidates in the race. marco rubio got 17% in texas, for example. winning your home state is such a foregone conclusion that even john kasich did it. >> let's talk about the math. transaction technical if donald trump sweeps, ted cruz is going to have to win 98% of the remaining delegates to get to 1,237. how does that justify him being in the race? >> ted cruz? >> yeah. >> we have indiana on may 3rd. bob is absolutely right. we'll be grabbing delegates in different states. delaware is the only winner take all state coming up next tuesday. we've got indiana on may 3rd. we have nebraska, washington, and oregon, which are proportional, and the big prize, california. so those contests, and look what's happening every

joining me now, kellyanne conway, president of keep the promise, a pro-cruz super pac.. was that an indoeendorsement of cruz or a rejection of donald trump? >> it's combination of both. if you get close to the majority of the vote in a three-person race, there are people rejecting the so-called front-runner, donald trump, who in recent weeks has let his words get the best of him and his candidacy, and they're also embracing senator cruz. wisconsin was an important state because it was the place where retail politicking mattered in a single contest on one day as opposed to super tuesday where you have five, ten contests in a single day. wisconsin felt more like iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina. it was also the place where ted cruz was able to coalesce the mainstream elements of the republican party along with the center-right base which is his natural constituency. i expect you'll see more endorsements of ted cruz from people in the past who have not wanted to work with him. they'll be embracing ted cruz and so too are the voters. >> last night, a win for cruz in

. >> you know what, kellyann, that's the kind of thing that will take a ted cruz nomination to -- >>tt romney, john mccain, how'd that work out? >> we'll lose. and then the -- >> honestly admit that it has broken the republican party and it is not a viable political force anymore. >> i'm sorry other people's -- >> would you guys like to change seats? >> charlie dent, go ahead. >> look, look, let's face it, john kasich has the ability to pick up votes from independents and many democrats. we should acknowledge that. ted cruz has spent much of his time in congress blasting guys like me, calling them surrenders, capitulators, because we understand the circumstances of the political dynamic we live in. he has. he's called us surrender caucus, capitulators, practically betrayal because we actually realize we have to govern and get some things done. john kasich understands that. he'll work with us. with respect, john kasich is in many ways a center right conservative. >> this sounds personal, is it personal between you -- is it personal between you and cruz? >> well, look -- well, senator

kellyann, your reaction to what the president said, do you agree? >> no, the president also didn't mention any of the foreign leaders or so-called plans that rankled him. if his foreign policy was so great, then hillary clinton, his secretary of state, is running against a socialist who wants to disengage from the entire world, and she's not, she's losing to kasich and to cruz in most polls and she's struggling to win a state like wisconsin. after tonight, she will have lost six of the last seven contests. particularly when this president did the wave in cuba, went and tangoed in argentina while brussels was burning and then said on that wednesday from a different country, well, we have a message for isis, you're not getting strong, you're getting weaker. after 30-some people died. so i think he has to own his own foreign policy. to blame candidates rather than the current commander in chief without specificity is really disappointing. >> maeve, before we wrap this up, i want to go to you for final thoughts. just the fact that this isn't a winner ta

. >> but you were also shaking your head, kellyanne, when you said don't count donald trump out. >> af states to go. moment momentum is a lot. >> but nobody thought he was going to lose new york. >> he's planting himself here. that is a different strategy. wisconsin was a big blow in that it was a double digit loss and it was a retail politicking state ash place where cruz was able to coalesce those five former opponents. we've been talking for a month on your show, i've been talking about the value of data analytics, ground game, having infrastructure -- >> now he's realizing it? >> i don't know, he's not realizing. people around him should realize it. he's saying his base is being -- >> for not knowing how to run the system, ted cruz should have won and donald trump is beating him in the delegate count by 200. for someone who is so terrible, he's doing pretty darn well when he's beating your candidate by double. >> cleveland is going to be a convention. if you can't perform at the colorado convention, it doesn't portend well for the cleveland convention. >> go ahead, gloria. >> that