gratitude for grandparents is here for them. >> sy: kelsall herself can relate.É are raising two grandchildren between them also because of substance addiction. >> carl's my fiancÉ's biological grandson and his dad is deceased. from an overdose. i do sometimes think that the big g had a plan and knew what was going to happen. and that's why big carl and i got together, because we understand what the other one is going through. >> sy: and they've gone through a lot. the latest hurdle, the pandemic forced kelsall to close the daycare she was running. >> totally lost my income and now we're on his fixed income. >> sy: because most grandparents raise their grandkids outside of the foster care system, it can >> it's your blood. you want to take them home and take care of them and love theand everything else. it is not even a reporter: but without legal custody or guardianship, it can be tough to tap into government support services. >> there can >> there can be eligibility requirementshat push some grandparents out. and i think with the pandemic, particularly for gran