we have heard from kemi badenoch earlier. she is - kemi badenoch earlier.ed by some to be a front runner and she made a speech today and she was talking about herself as somebody who likes to get things done. she said she is an engineer and she knows how you can make things work. that is her pitch. she says the party needs to renew. that is something you will hear from all of them after the terrible election defeat they suffered. priti patel has been defending her record on immigration. of course she is a previous home secretary. than robert jenrick, talking about and offer you can get to younger people about the need to build more houses. they are already saying you cannotjust need to build more houses. they are already saying you cannot just sit back and criticise what labour is doing, the party really has to have some fresh thinking and think about its principles and where it goes from there. tom tugendhat would describe himself as a one nation conservative. he wants to really be in the centre of the party and his pictures —— pitch is coming from that si

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so, kemi badenoch _ about there, hannah? so, kemi badenoch has _ about there, hannah?denoch has focused - about there, hannah? so, kemi badenoch has focused very - about there, hannah? so, kemi| badenoch has focused very much on principles, whereas you heard robertjenrick they're talking specifically more about how he would have plans and what they would mean in practice. she said that she was not talking about all muslims in the comments that she was making. she said that there are many muslims who love the country, that was the group —— was brought up in herself when asked about it and said she did not want to get drawn into that kind of language, but she talked about people who might open the door and then the women might say that can't speak because the husband needs to do the talking on their part. she said that was unacceptable in british society. so she is saying things that are controversial, perhaps, that some people might feel uncomfortable about, but she is using her background and highlighting her background as someone who was born in the uk, but then grew

and kemi answered on a different... yeah.ut and talk more broadly about business regulation, which she is very passionate about, but also, as you know... avoiding it? well, no, she wasn't avoiding the question. but also, you know, she's got some messages she wants to get across, including being pro—business and also being pro—family. and that was really important. it was one of her five top issues that she said at her launch speech. so i think it's quite clear and obvious that actually what was perhaps intentionally misinterpreted by some people yesterday was not actually what she was saying. robertjenrick and james cleverly, the other contenders, have also been doing rallies today. we have seen them and their supporters walking through the conference hall with placards, as they tried to convince mps and members that they are the right person to take the party forward. this conference has a different vibe to what we are used to. much more of a contest between the four and an exploration of ideas may be but we will not actuall

badenoch. and they always choose kemi badenoch-— and they always choose kemi badenoch. ., . ., ., ,tes are sa in: badenoch. the other candidates are saying that _ badenoch. the other candidates are saying that people - badenoch. the other candidates are saying that people want - badenoch. the other candidates are saying that people want to l are saying that people want to know when they are going to get an nhs appointment, a home of their own, what school their kid is going to go to. and she is talking about whether or not people from certain countries or certain immigrants share british values. perfectly valid but is it a danger she isn't talking about some of the core issues because her position is that she doesn't want to talk about those specific policies so far away from the election? i think it is right to talk about that might not talk about certain issues. but she talks about wider issues about what is wrong with the state, why we paid the price at the ballot box. people felt we found that the delivery. some of that is what we inherited previously, the legal settlement and a

first, kemi badenoch. a few words with her after her 0 & a with conservative members and activists. what skills does she think she has to be the next prime minister? the leadership skills i think this country is looking for is someone who understands why things aren't working, that the system is broken. i'm an engineer, i start from first principles, i look at things end to end and i deliver. i get stuff done. when things have been broken, ifix them. and are the things broken in this country because the tories broke them? the system is broken. and politicians are struggling to use the system. keir starmer is already having the same problems and this is why i think a time of plain speaking and honesty is important rather than people promising things that they can't deliver. right, and why do you think you are a better candidate than mr cleverly, mr tugendhat, mrjenrick? obviously i am here selling myself. i like all of the other candidates but i think that i'm somebody... but you think you're the best. well

just in the lead up to introducing kemi badenoch.i badenoch a former business secretary and very close ally of michael gove. the former tory mp talking at the moment. you can get a sense of what kemi badenoch�*s campaign will be based on. you can see it on the writing just behind on the wall, to the right of the screen. she says it is all about renewal. we understand she is going to be saying, there is no point the conservatives pointing at labour. they need to do something for themselves. robertjenrick on sunday also launched his campaign. he said he would oppose labour's declaration of war on middle classes. kemi badenoch one of six mps putting themselves forward to be the tory party's next leader. tom tugendhat priti patel and robertjenrick have all given speeches ahead of what we are about to hear shortly. we are also expecting to hear from james cleverly around midday uk time. mel stride has also declared his candidacy for the role. just to remind you, kemi badenoch has said we are expecting her to say that if the conservatives

you need to talk to kemi about what kemi said.others is that the cost of childcare is too expensive. it was government meddling that made it expensive, and rather than tax and subsidise, let's make childcare cheaper. i think maternity and paternity care are very important. it's one of the things that i missed out on years ago as we didn't have the same rights on paternity care, and i think many of us fathers would have loved to spend more time with our kids. kemi badenoch has since clarified that of course she believes in maternity pay. it'll soon be up to mps and party members to decide who's the best leader to take the fight to labour. a huge rescue effort is under way in nepal after floods and landslides killed nearly 150 people. at least 50 others are missing. the government has faced criticism over the speed of the emergency response. its stephen murphy has more. in the past few days, some parts of nepal have seen the highest rainfall in more than 50 years. thousands of people have been forced to leave their homes, and some m

meanwhile, kemi offender.lling for change in the conservative party. the shadow communities secretary and contender to replace rishi sunak said her party has to focus on renewal to be ready to return to power. mr badenoch used the speech to also accuse labour of pulling the wool over the eyes of the public, insisting that it's of the public, insisting that wsfime of the public, insisting that it's time for something new now. today, labour and the government are to suspend the use of single word grading for ofsted in schools . currently, the grading schools. currently, the grading as outstanding good requires improvement and inadequate will be scrapped this academic year. the department for education says the inspections this year. for inspections this year, parents will instead see four grades across the existing subcategories , those being subcategories, those being quality of education, behaviour and attitudes, personal development and leadership, and management. the wife of a conservative councillor has plea

so that is kemi badenoch, continuing to take questions. many people regard her as the frontrunner in this leadership contest. there are six people going for this leadership contest. whittling that number down to five, then four, then they go off to the tory party conference and eventually there will be two left in the race. this is kemi badenoch making her case today, the launch of her campaign. interesting there, that question right at the end about her character. she has said a lot about how she is a straight talker how she likes to get things done. she talked about how civil servants sometime stopped doing things she thought she should be able to do. i think her temperament is quite an important part of this. some of her conservative colleagues have said to me they find are quite difficult to deal with. they felt it wasn't just her being a little bit abrasive, they felt that on occasion she was rude, and that was with colleagues, not when she was attacking the labour party. others will say it is just because she has strong views and wan

and i think kemi is right to bring it up.and think kemi is right to bring it up.p a really good point in the op ed in the telegraph today , which is in the telegraph today, which is that, recently, obviously people use their phones a lot, so they use their phones a lot, so they use smartphones. so they're like they're less likely to learn the engush they're less likely to learn the english language because their whatsapping and on instagram and on social media the whole time . on social media the whole time. so they're, you know, they're slow. it's slowing down how quickly they learn the language, which is another really good point. all she's saying is we need a strategy. it's okay not to speak the language, but there needs to be a strategy. >> we are. i mean, i wonder whether labour would be wise, perhaps, to adopt a more hawkish approach to integration and language . language. >> i can remember almost annual tradition of labour ministers, labour ministers standing up and making a speech saying people need to learn english. >> and then i think john reid said it a

kemi badenoch then tax yourself. comments by claiming that she'd been misrepresented and that she didn't say that maternity pay was excessive . but maternity pay was excessive. but as you heard in that clip there, that's quite a tricky argument to make. what she did say was that statutory maternity pay was excessive. all three other tory leadership hopefuls have distanced themselves from kemi badenoch , and she is now facing badenoch, and she is now facing a bit of a backlash from party members too, particularly because these comments were all over the front of newspapers and, as you say, have really dominated the first day of the conservative party conference. the problem for kemi badenoch is that she genuinely could end up being squeezed out of this race altogether. the final two of these four candidates who are left will be put to the members and the conservative party, members of which there are about 100,000, will get to decide. but from now it's going to be whittled down from 4 to 2, and that will be done by co

have you got kemi badenoch?ht have kemi badenoch coming up soon with our political editor, chris hope . political editor, chris hope. >> hello. hello how's it going? >> hello. hello how's it going? >> it's going well. okay >> it's going well. okay >> we'll come to what you're thinking in a minute. why do you want to be tory leader? >> i want to be leader of our party because it means something very special to me . and i don't very special to me. and i don't want to see it die. i think the result we had at the last election shows that we are at an existential point. there is a party to the right that is challenging us. people across the political spectrum don't know what we stand for. i think that i know what we stand for. i think thati can know what we stand for. i think that i can help sell conservatism again. confident conservatism. i am somebody who gets cut through. i am somebody who communicates our values. and i always start from first principles. i can do it. and that's what i want to be. tory leader. oka

>> so if you want to ask about the kemi campaign, you ask kemi. my the kemi campaign, you ask kemi. all of them would make a good leader. we have no jeremy corbyn, we have no one that's mad and no one that's dangerous to our country. so whoever is leader, i shall happily support them . my judgement is james is them. my judgement is james is them. my judgement is james is the best candidate. >> is this all too softly, softly? where's the proper punch up in politics, in leadership elections of past, there has been far more blue on blue. there is, of course, this, this, this strange yellow card system in this race, which means that everyone is tiptoeing around and trying to pull their punches. is that healthy for democracy? >> look, i think it's healthy that the four candidates make a positive case as to why their man or woman should be leader. but what we don't need is blue on blue attacks. we've had enough of that in the last five years. so i would say i'm only going to make a positive case for james. let the other candidates do the same. ultimately the party members will make their

. actually quite for good kemi.he most that the votes that are coming up are not on the hard right of the party, and therefore they're not likely to go to robert jenrick, so he's not likely to get a huge boost from stride he gained. >> so jenrick gained five five and gained six. what's really interesting about kemi herself is that she sort of she's well, she sort of came along to it and sort of started talking about ideas. she had a piece in the telegraph talking about the fact that capitalism shouldn't be seen as a dirty word, which i think is very, very attractive to a lot of true blue conservative voters. but what's interesting is of course, at the moment they're not looking at the entire party. they're just trying to win the votes. of those 121 members of parliament. and so the policy initiative actually is sort of slightly, slightly more lacking. and actually, what seems to be the forefront of this is whether or not they feel as though they are an effective leader. your question you asked peter about whether or

he you need to talk to kemi about what kemi said. childcare is too expensive. it was government meddling that made it expensive, and rather than tax and subsidise, let's make childcare cheaper. i think maternity and paternity care are very important. it's one of the things that i missed out on years ago as we didn't have the same rights on paternity care, and i think many of us fathers would have loved to spend more time with our kids. kemi badenoch has since clarified that of course she believes in maternity pay. it'll soon be up to mps and party members to decide who's the best leader to take the fight to labour. tonight the final four candidates have been in this building shaking hands, meeting members, pressing the flesh. forthe hands, meeting members, pressing the flesh. for the first time we have seen signs of tension between the candidates, perhaps because time is running out to make an impact. i would argue a wider battle faces whoever doesn't win that context, evidenced by the fact that the conference isn't really that busy,

about half of what kemi badenoch has.wo, do you think he really stands a chance of winning? >> well, i do think he's got a good chance of winning. i mean, clearly the one poll that matters will be the poll of the party members of the final two. the objective of the campaign just now is to make sure that rob gets into that final two. and that's obviously the decision of the party mps, the conservative mps here at westminster. but rob's got many unique qualities. i've already spoken about his his drive and determination, but he is also a unifier, bringing mps from from the right and the left of the party together to get a clear plan on immigration. on how to reform public services. that's going to bring us all together , going to bring us all together, which i think is one of the biggest criticisms we had before the last election was that we were divided party. and he has this unique capacity, i think, in terms of this contest, to bnng in terms of this contest, to bring the party together and make it an election winning mac

kemi then why kemi why not tom tugendhat or robert jenrick?>> i mean, all the candidates are colleagues, all all have got their own strengths. i think that we need that process of renewal, it's tough being in government and in government. invariably what i'd call the boat picks up plenty of barnacles, things that actually, if you stand back now, you know, was that really the right priority ? and were we getting on priority? and were we getting on with delivering what really mattered to conservative supporters, big process of renewal. and you do that best in the most . you build the firmest the most. you build the firmest foundations and in the most resilient way. that's going to carry through us the next political cycle, which is why it's called kemi's campaign is called renewal 2030. it's not just about one person, it's about a whole process of renewal. >> 2030 is two years into the next labour government. if they win the election. >> well, it's a it's a point . >> well, it's a it's a point. you know, we talk about decades, right? the decade

jenrick or kemi. >> there's also there's almost an assumption that jenrick and kemi would be the final actually think that if, if, if one of them is knocked out and it all depends on where those votes end up going and if cleverly is knocked out on the next round, then it would be interesting to see where those particular votes end up going itself as well. >> kemi badenoch briefly is young, female and worked in mcdonald's and that means she comes a lot more across as a real ordinary person. that's ten times more important than any of the policies at this stage. >> peter, you've answered my question at the very end of the segment. do you think kemi is the one labour's most frightened of? thank you. the government has introduced the early release scheme to free prisoners serving less than five years after 40% of their sentence, rather than 50%. 1700 inmates have been released today, many of whom are unrehabilitated and unready to enter public life. it is feared that many of those released today will reoffend with further serious offences. it is clear that this could worsen crime rates. we

we disauree disagree with kemi about? - disagree with kemi about? we solve the migration puzzle but i think you will ask is that in a few moments time. ., , , ., , , will ask is that in a few moments time. .,, i. , , ., time. robert, you will be first and kemi will be _ time. robert, you will be first and kemi will be second. _ we'll be hearing from the mp rosie duffield who quit yesterday — accusing the prime minister of putting greed and power first. here we we are and its daily revelations of hypocrisy and grubby kind of...presents and things. i mean, i can't believe what i'm reading. how will cabinet minister pat mcfadden, one of keir starmer�*s most important allies, whojoins us, respond? and joining me throughout the show, we have tom fletcher, who used to be ambassador for the uk in lebanon, and worked for three differnet prime ministers in no 10. jake berry, who was the tory chairman under liz truss. and penny mordaunt who was defence secretary and ran to be leader last time round. a warm welcome to all three of you here. but first, let's ha

>> i quite like kemi badenoch . >> i quite like kemi badenoch. she doesn't.nd i think probably in this sort of politically correct world that we're now living in, i think she would be absolutely right, i think another one is robert jenrick, i think if you wanted somebody sort of more on the left of the party, tom tugendhat , but i think the, like tugendhat, but i think the, like i said , the i think three will i said, the i think three will definitely get through now and that will be kemi badenoch and that will be kemi badenoch and that will be priti patel, and probably means. let's put he is a man of means. let's put it bluntly, and so he doesn't need to go on the sort of the circuit, like so many have, i won't mention names and into america and so on, but so we've got kemi badenoch speaking very soon. >> who do you think neil would make the best leader for the conservative party? who should move them forward? >> i quite like kemi badenoch . >> i quite like kemi badenoch. she doesn't. she calls a spade a shovel, and i think probably in this sort of political

evisce kemi(eir starmer to think that kemi badenoch would eviscekemi badenochzr to think that kemi badenochoch does seem to be the most popular at the moment, we could see that all change very, very quickly indeed. on the whole, a good rule of thumb is that that a the conservative membership will pick the most sort of right wing candidate going. they are all you can see at the moment trying to show their credentials as that most right wing candidate going kemi badenoch at the moment, edging into first place. but robert jenrick, who of course resigned from rishi sunak's government over not feeling that the rwanda policy was tough enough , might end up was tough enough, might end up just pipping her at the post. >> brilliant stuff, i've got to say. thank you very much, olivia utley, our political correspondent at dawn . i happen correspondent at dawn. i happen to think that kemi badenoch would eviscerate keir starmer at the despatch box. i think that it would basically be a bloodbath every pmqs, because his woke identity politics wouldn't work on kemi badenoch, wouldn't work on kemi badenoch,

kemi has a kemi badenoch has a way of coming out and saying things that other people aren't saying, but and of course, look, i'm a mum, you're a mum, she's a mum, she's got three children. we all want women to be supported. there is no suggestion that kemi badenoch is against new mothers or anything like that, but i think she's raising the issue of the burden on small businesses. she's also talking about parental responsibility . she's parental responsibility. she's talking about the responsibility. when you have children, to think about the financial burden that you're taking on, to think about your finances, your family finances, are you going to be able to follow through? she's talking about small businesses who simply are are taking this burden and having to pay maternity pay to women. she's also talking about the fact that we're taking from she says, we're taking from she says, we're taking from one group, taxpayers and giving to another group. so i'm 100% and as taxpayers and giving to another group. so i'm100% and as is i think kemi badenoch in favour of maternity pay . and of co

interestingly, kemi badenoch is less interested money. interestingly, kemi.hat some migrants brought with them?- reviews that some migrants brought with them? i am saying that if we want _ brought with them? i am saying that if we want to _ brought with them? i am saying that if we want to have - brought with them? i am saying that if we want to have a - brought with them? i am saying that if we want to have a well. that if we want to have a well integrated society, we need to make — integrated society, we need to make sure that we have a shared culture _ make sure that we have a shared culture and — make sure that we have a shared culture and a shared identity. this— culture and a shared identity. this is— culture and a shared identity. this is a — culture and a shared identity. this is a multiethnic society, that— this is a multiethnic society, that is— this is a multiethnic society, that is obvious, i am a black women— that is obvious, i am a black woman sitting here talking to you. — woman sitting here talking to you. but _ woman sitting here talking to y

in the case of kemi badenoch.but i think until they are just honest and frank and say we actually just need reform back, i don't think they're going to be able to rebuild that. >> and he is a friendly word of advice to the tories. would you tell us to take reform seriously, or do you think kemi badenoch is right? >> i think you know, looking at their kind of shenaniganry at their kind of shenaniganry at the moment with tommy robinson and the kind of splits on the very right of reform and the way that the grassroots appear to be divided to the parliamentary leadership, i wouldn't particularly take them seriously as a as an actual organisation. you know, they've got five mps. they have no real responsibility. they can say whatever they want, but they're never going to see the government benches . so i think government benches. so i think they're a bit of a bit of a fringe kind of excitement at the moment. obviously take into account the voters that they they took at the last election, but i wouldn't take them seriou

kemi would say that. i would say that too. let me read you what kemi said.she said, i'm not talking about cuisine, i'm talking about customs. i think that cultures where women are told that they should not work. i would knock on doors and you would see somebody at the door who says, i can't speak to you. i'll go and get my husband. i don't think thatis get my husband. i don't think that is as equally valid as our culture. the point i was making about immigration is that immigration is something which we need to make sure we get right. any strand, any strand of any strand of any culture or any religion that places women below men, is wholly unacceptable. >> of course i agree with that. but what i should also remind you, if we're talking by the way, about muslims without mentioning muslims, the vast numbers of british muslims treat each other men and women with respect. let's not tar vast swathes of our country or of our communities with the same brush. any degradation of women. i don't care whether they're muslim, christian, whatever they are, is completely c

so what did kemi badenoch say today that made headlines?lly eye—catching statement, ithink, this morning — i expect will provoke a lot of conversation — is about when it comes to immigration. she's essentially saying that the uk should take a dim view of accepting people from cultures which she describes as being "less valid than our own." now, to say that a culture is less valid than another, obviously, in a country that many people see as something that is multicultural, where there should be respect for all cultures, clearly she knows, and many of our newscasters will know, that lots of people are going to find that controversial. however, her point, which we asked her about clearly is, well, what do you mean by that? who do you mean? she talked about cultures where women were not seen as equals, and she even talked about somebody, you know, people on the election trail already living in this country where she knocked the door, somebody said, "i'm sorry, you're going to have to talk to my husband," she used that as an example of a cultur

from the point of view of kemi . the point of view of kemi badenoch it is about character, principlesome of those specifics. but that is her approach, and that has been her approach. forthe approach, and that has been her approach. for the others it is policy. for example, robert jenrick has been clear that the party has failed to deliver on immigration, so he says there needs to be a legal process in parliament about the number of people legally coming into this country. tom tugendhat has been dragged into this as well, and he says there should be a cap of 100,000. they have also been specific policy pledges from all the candidates on extra defence spending, although kemi badenoch not putting a timescale on it.- badenoch not putting a timescale on it. . ~ ., ., timescale on it. ian watson at the conservative _ timescale on it. ian watson at the conservative party - the conservative party conference. thank you very much. it opens in birmingham this afternoon. there is much more on that conference on the bbc news website, along with all the other main story is that we are featuring to

kemi was very good on that. reform. kemi was very good on that . robert jenrick has been that.t jenrick has been very good on that, and they've talked about the need to change the civil service to actually get things done, because it's been so darn difficult and i know this from experience. there are more grey hairs in this beard than there should be because it's so difficult to get things done inside government. and that should be one of the big questions as well. >> we're still got grant shapps on our screens as we await james cleverly to take to the stage to deliver his message to the tory party, and also to the country, i suppose. we're hearing that one of the things he's going to say is that stamp duty should absolutely be abolished across the board. so no one buying a property in this country would have to pay that particular tax. why do you think he's gone for that? >> i think it's great. i think that in the abstract, all of these policies that the candidates are coming out with are really good. i think the problem we should do, though, is to make sure they've got the ti

i mean depher kemi say. i mean depher kemi badenoch.ote, sort of trying to be the tough person. the reality is tough. >> what do you mean? >> what do you mean? >> she was talking. talking tough on china and zero net two months ago. she wasn't saying any of this stuff. well, she did rail against a few things. like she didn't rail against china. she didn't rail against net zero all of a sudden because of what reform is standing for, she's basically coming to our turf. you can't trust what these people say coming to your turf. >> talk about suella braverman defecting. have you had conversations with the former home secretary as you well know? >> i don't give a running commentary on any discussions. no, i won't, i'm not going to because i want people, i want people, i want people to trust are you having conversations ? i are you having conversations? i don't i don't comment, i don't comment on any discussions, all sorts of things i enjoy. i enjoy meeting and talking to the conservatives in and around the chamber, trying to get them in the r

let's say kemi badenoch wins. let's say kemi badenoch wins. sure that they will be delivered once if they will be delivered once if the conservative party gets back to power? >> that that is probably the biggest difficulty we've got now. and i've written a bit about this in the telegraph tonight, i think one one thing we can do, obviously, is be extremely clear about what we're going to do extremely clear about the plan, you know, make sure there's no internal arguments about things. and get people to row in behind them. i think any sense of hesitation or let's wait till 2029 and see how things look and will will take decisions, then i think any of thatis decisions, then i think any of that is fatal. when trust levels are so low, it's going to be so clear now. >> an interesting few weeks to come. well, while i have you with me, we have to cover one of the other big stories of the day, which is about michel barnier, the former chief brexit negotiator, who you got to know very well in your previous role has been appointed by president macron as

>> look, i'm thinking that actually kemi badenoch has made actually kemi badenoch has made a mistake.ity leave. i actually think robert jenrick has the momentum at this conference. patrick. >> well, you heard it here first. keep carving with me down here. now, this is where you get to see some gb news reporters in the wild. we have got katherine forster. what are you drinking , forster. what are you drinking, catherine? oh i'm drinking. >> it's the it's the gb news welcome cocktail, which is whisky, angostura bitters . whisky, angostura bitters. >> okay. apple juice and something else. it's my only alcoholic drink because i will be live on gb news bringing you the latest from 6 am. tomorrow. i'm hoping to get maybe four hours sleep. >> okay. good stuff. well, thank you very much, everybody. olivia, you're not getting away with this . olivia utley is also with this. olivia utley is also out and about in the wild. so how have you found the tory conference so far? the mood seems quite upbeat. yeah, it's pretty cheerful. >> more cheerful, weirdly, than laboun >> last week i thought, i thi

annette says marco wouldn't be at all surprised if kemi badenoch is being stitched up kemi badenoch isstitched ”p by kemi badenoch is being stitched up by the tory mps. they want their to man win. they did the same thing to get rishi sunak elected . they are a rum bunch. elected. they are a rum bunch. the members will probably end up with someone they don't really want again, says annette. thank you for that, annette. okay folks, it's time now for this . folks, it's time now for this. oh welcome back. it's time now for mark meets, in which we speak to the biggest names in the world of entertainment, business and beyond . and business and beyond. and tonight, whether it's lucy letby, myra hindley or fred west, just what makes someone become a serial killer? and how can you spot whether such a person could be your next door neighbour? well, psychologist, true crime expert and star of itv's this morning, emma kenney thinks that she may have the answer in a bestselling new book, the serial killer. next door chilling true stories of the killers hidden among us, and it's out now . so emma, g

>> well look, kemi for a start, is not calling it kemi for leader.from top to bottom. this is something that has to outlast any particular person. there is any particular person. there is a huge job to do in renewing our party, and she has set out how she thinks we need to be thinking not just about the problems of today, but the problems of today, but the problems of today, but the problems of the next decade when there's going to be a general election at the end of the 2020s. and we need to think about what are the issues and ideas that we need to debate ahead of that . secondly, i think ahead of that. secondly, i think kemi doesn't shift in the wind. you know what she's about and who she is. she doesn't tend to move simply because there's a pressure point . so, you know, pressure point. so, you know, she's set out in her launch earlier in the week. some clear values that she wants to stand behind. and i think finally, in an electoral sense, i just don't think that starmer and farage would know what to do with her. and i think that gives us a reall

for kemi badenoch, one of the issues that came up unsurprisingly was the remarks she made yesterday in. many people thought or interpreted that she had said that maternity pay is excessive, but she has clarified the remarks and said they had been misinterpreted. this is what she had to say about it today. i was answering a different question. i was interrupted as i was answering a different question, and i don't actually think kate mccann was trying to catch me out. i was trying to explain that when we start talking about micro policy, we forget the first principles. businesses, and i'll use an example, there's a cafe in my constituency that closed down, there's a cafe in my constituei and 1at closed down, there's a cafe in my constituei and also osed down, there's a cafe in my constituei and also questions i, there's a cafe in my constituei and also questions on questions and also questions on policy. for kemi badenoch, one of the issues that came up unsurprisingly was the remarks she made yesterday in relation to maternity pay. many people thought or interpreted that she had said tha

so this morning i will be going to a leadership launches from kemi badenoch and james cleverly and kemioch will have a real go at labour. she's she's got a way with words. she's quite combative, james cleverly is saying we need to get back to our conservative roots. also promising. he says he wants to not just cut stamp duty, but eliminate it altogether. so a really big week in terms of parliament and indeed, if you're a child heading back to school, catherine, thank you very much indeed. >> oh, so much to talk about their stamp duty. what is it? what is the point of it? and fantastic. if they got rid of it, it was brought in during the napoleonic wars or something. >> i don't know why it was brought in, but i know that it prevents so many people from being able to move. it's just a huge preventative on that sort of ladder through through the housing ladder and, a lot of people hate it, myself included . people hate it, myself included. but the question is, has he funded that? how would he pay for that cut? because as we know, that would be a huge , know, that would be a huge, chunk out

conservative leadership candidate kemi badenoch doesn't think so.article for today's sunday telegraph, she called for a better integration strategy that emphasises british culture. she argues some customs may be at odds with british values, and that it's naive to assume immigrants will automatically abandon ancestral ethnic hostilities at the border. lots of long words. there let's see what my panellist jj anna sewell obe and charlie rowley make of this one. now, can i come to you first on this one, jj because if you read that just bluntly, it could sound a little bit racist. >> yeah, it does sound, if you just take the headlines from it that she is essentially targeting muslims. >> that's, that's the cultural difference. >> i mean, that's that was my conclusion as well, because that is the biggest cultural difference. >> yeah. but if she if she had explained it more clearly, more precisely and said , if you are precisely and said, if you are in favour of women, women being second class citizens, then you are against all odds with british values. if

you need to talk to kemi about what kemi said.that made it expensive _ and rather tax and subsidise, j let's make childcare cheaper. i think maternity and paternity care are very important. one of the things i missed out on years ago is we didn't have the same rights on paternity care, and i think many of us fathers would have loved to spend more time with our kids. kemi badenoch has since clarified that of course she believes in maternity pay. it'll soon be up to mps and party members to decide who's the best leader to take the fight to labour. joe pike, bbc news, birmingham. there is much more in—depth coverage of the conservative party leadership contest on the bbc news website. stay with us here on bbc news. hello. although most of us have stayed dry this weekend, low pressure is sweeping in as we speak. that will hang around for the first few days of this upcoming week. monday and tuesday certainly looking wetter and windier — rather cool, monday and tuesday certainly looking wetter and windier — rather cool, but mid—week, hi

and hopeful kemi badenoch. and again, it's an attempt to sort of skewer kemi.hat bad. remember she has a master's in engineering, so she's very logical. she's very smart, doesn't always maybe her weakness might be that she doesn't always realise how it's going to come across politically. and the sort of cheap headlines people are going to get. and then to pounce on this and say, well, i'm very pro—family. i'm i totally pro—family. i'm itotally believe in the family. as if kemi doesn't have kids as well. so it's a bit silly. what she's saying is there's too much regulation for businesses. she's saying statutory maternity pay comes from taxes and sort of that needs to be looked at. and she's saying, look, in the past we still were having more kids and we didn't have maternity pay at all. so there must be another answer. and that's all reasonable. the problem is when you've got low birth rates and when you're in the tories and you're meant to be pro—family, you're meant to be pro—family, you get a headline that makes it seem like you're anti maternity pay, seem li

this is very good news for kemi badenoch.in the first round of voting last week, she got 22 votes against, robert jenrick, 28 votes, six votes behind. it doesn't sound like very much, but of course we're talking about very, very small numbers here. given there are only 122 conservative mps in parliament at the beginning of this race, kemi badenoch was very much seen as the firm favourite. but last week questions were being raised about whether she would manage to get the support of mps. she's not known generally to be that popular among conservative mps, not particularly because of her politics, but more because of her sort of attitude. in the tea room, she's seen as a she can be a little bit sort of ratty, a bit difficult to get on with. the fact that she has now managed to secure such a big chunk of that shadow cabinet, who, of course, are her own colleagues. she was in the cabinet under rishi sunak is very good news for her, because if she makes it onto that final two, the final two get sent to the members and the members

stride, kemi badenoch, kemi badenoch and tom tugendhat. to my panel. sir conor burns, former tory mp for bournemouth west, and joe phillips , who west, and joe phillips, who pressed former press secretary and journalist conor to you first, of course, if you were an mp today, i know who you'd voted for. badenoch, because i saw you at her launch . at her launch. >> no, i'd have voted for kemi badenoch btec because you keep pronouncing she rightly says there is no quite right, quite right. >> touche, i stand corrected. look, the first thing i would reflect on if i was a tory mp today is the person who came first, got 28 votes. >> if that doesn't tell people very graphically about how diminished the conservative party is tonight, that figure gives it to you . and i think my gives it to you. and i think my colleagues in parliament have got a decision to make. do they want to elect someone who wants to challenge why we failed in government in so many places? ask really uncomfortable questions and start to lay the foundations from first principle

kemi badenoch she afghanistan.emi badenoch she said that this party is in an existential crisis at this point, they need to get on and reform and find new ways of telling a story, she said that if you vote for kevin bacon or if you vote for kevin bacon or if you're a tory member, if she becomes leader, a lot of things will change. i think they should rethink what the tory party is for . and that may be what a for. and that may be what a party with 121 mps needs. he denied there was a stop kemi kemp and she said she would review the net zero target and she defended her remarks about maternity pay, saying that many people had misquoted her but not not times radio. but others had misquoted her and in fact she was talking about overall the impact of regulation on companies. so all to play for. and tomorrow i'm doing the same again. an hour each with with robert jenrick, and james cleverly. so tune in 2 to 4 on the channel and all day for the best coverage. >> interesting stuff chris have you got your tugendhat fixed? h

kemi badenoch is second. she's on about 30.d of her in the last one last month. i think it was nought point two, 0.3%. so he's widened that lead, from 0.2, 0.3 to an 8% lead. so there's a lot of momentum there. both, it would seem, among the voluntary party and obviously among members of parliament. and as you have seen, the shadow health secretary, victoria atkins, came out for robert today. now that's quite significant because it shows very clearly that he's got support across the parliamentary party. so, you know , victorian party. so, you know, victorian people like john lamont very much on the sort of centrist to one nation wing of the parliamentary party. and then you've got people like myself and, and andrew rosindell , more and, and andrew rosindell, more at the other end of the spectrum. so i think what that shows is that robert genuinely now has support right across the parliamentary party. so he'd be very well placed to unify it. >> but given that jenrick entered the house of commons as a david cameron acolyte, are y

kemi badenoch is _ know who these people are. kemi badenoch is not _ know who these people are.e it. the conservative activists may say she is worried about what she allegedly said about maternity pay albeit i don't think she did actually say, but mps may say hang on, that's not necessarily demonstrating the qualities of leadership that we want. , . , qualities of leadership that we want. , , , ., ., want. very briefly, in one name if ou want. very briefly, in one name if you can. _ want. very briefly, in one name if you can. is — want. very briefly, in one name if you can, is there _ want. very briefly, in one name if you can, is there any - if you can, is there any evidence that one of them might be more popular than the other with the public? we. great, with the public? no. great, that was— with the public? no. great, that was concise! _ with the public? i457. great, that was concise! we have professor sirjohn curtice giving all there is to know about the conservative leadership race. the candidates will be taking more questions, giving more answers, speeches on the main stag

kemi badenoch came in wide open. kemi badenoch came in second place with 22 votes.ere because the conservative parliamentary party is just so small now, and that was only 5 or 6 votes ahead of mel stride, who came in fifth place. so, as i say, there is a lot to play for. still robert jenrick does seem to be emerging as the favourite among mps, but kemi badenoch for the moment is very much the favourite among conservative party members who will get to decide when it gets to the final two. she has about twice the support of robert jenrick. the thing is, she's not that popular among mps. conservative mps in westminster andifs conservative mps in westminster and it's just possible that those priti patel voters vote as a bloc in the next round, which we're expecting on tuesday in a sort of me . . . we're expecting on tuesday in a sort of me there. .. . . forgive me there. >> do you know something? it's a well—oiled machine. this isn't it, live telly folks. we're joined by gb news political correspondent olivia utley. olivia, are we surprised by the dispatching of priti p