kemi badenoch. into the badenoch. the culture yesterday here culture wars yesterday here at the about time , the tory conference about time, too. she had to say. >> i pay tribute to the many women's and lgbt groups such as conservatives for women, sex matters and the lgb alliance, who, despite unbelievable opposition, kept fighting this policy reform , refusing to be policy reform, refusing to be cancelled and speaking the truth. there's no no other party that will defend common sense. next week, labour will tell the country that it is ready for government. but ladies and gentlemen , let me ask you this. gentlemen, let me ask you this. if labour if labour mps won't tell us what a woman is, what else aren't they telling us? oh where do i look at us? >> so we are joined now by the co—founder of lgb alliance, kate harris . good co—founder of lgb alliance, kate harris. good morning, co—founder of lgb alliance, kate harris . good morning, kate. what harris. good morning, kate. what did you make of what kemi badenoch said y

nana does kemi badenoch have a point ? kemi badenoch have a point?. yes, it is literally the best country that i've been to as a black person . i've been to as a black person. >> um, i've been to i've been all across europe. i faced a lot of racism there. i lived in america for some time. that was incredibly segregated and quite racist . but, uh, australia , racist. but, uh, australia, there are very few people of colour there. they have their issues to this country. definitely rates as one of the top. i mean, it actually sounds like femi is agreeing with kenny with what he's saying there, because obviously , i mean, femi, because obviously, i mean, femi, you've got you you you've got you know, you graduated from oxford university, the best university, one of the best universities if universities in the world, if not many would say possibly the best. has a best. so this country has a lot to offer. and although there may be some barriers to entry in terms of colour, if you see it that way, there certainly weren't you weren't that many for you because

so we've kemi badenoch there we've got kemi badenoch there saying convicted rapists we've got kemi badenoch saying men should! rapists we've got kemi badenoch there saying men should notyists we've got kemi badenoch there saying men should not be; we've got kemi badenoch there saying men should not be going we've got kemi badenoch there sayi|women's should not be going we've got kemi badenoch there sayi|women's prison. not be going we've got kemi badenoch there sayi|women's prison. no bite going into women's prison. a bit of common well it is a bit common sense. well it is a bit of common really, isn't it? >> and in fact, the moj went further this at the further than this at the beginning of the year, actually, actually at the end of march, when it's any male prisoner who's been convicted of any violent or sexual offence , not violent or sexual offence, not just against women or any male prisoner who's got intact male genitalia is not eligible to be held in the female estate at all. >> and i think what's really significant about this is that it cuts across gender recognition, certificate st

this is why people kemi badenoch and people like kemi badenoch and talking whether say talking up whetheru know, not pigeonholing people. this kind of, cancel culture. of, you know, cancel culture. the issue that appears to exist, you know, the kind of woke mind virus, whatever elon musk would call it, and, you know, all the culture wars, this is why it's so important because it appears that right now in this country, at this conference, we have had at this conference, we have had a group of gay conservatives who have been forcefully evicted from an eventjust for their beliefs. >> precisely. that didn't do anything wrong in the situation. they just wanted to be ordinary paying they just wanted to be ordinary paying customers and enjoying a night out on the town in manchester. and they had their night completely ruined just because of their political beliefs. if this was any other group, patrick, people would be crying from rafters . crying from the rafters. >> can i ask you forgive me for asking this? it's just popped into my really . but, you into my mind, really. but, you know, a as man

when kemi badenoch made that speech at conservative conference, i broadly agree with her. where where i would disagree with her or i would caveat it is when she says it's the best place to grow up. if you're from a minority community, it's a pretty in europe, it's a pretty low bar because other parts of europe are terrible. there's lots to do. areas lots of work to do. those areas shouldn't those areas where we've level of we've got that level of division, appalling. we've got that level of divisof1, appalling. we've got that level of divisof the appalling. we've got that level of divisof the one appalling. we've got that level of divisof the one ofpalling. we've got that level of divisof the one of theing. we've got that level of divisof the one of the functions one of the one of the functions of the past decade of austerity is the programs and the is some of the programs and the activities that were breaking is some of the programs and the activiithose at were breaking is some of the programs and the activiithose barriers, ireaking is some of the programs and the activii

. >> but coming up, business secretary kemi badenoch says there's no place in the world better to bein. was she right? we'll be joined another great guest. joined by another great guest. you're the saturday five you're with the saturday five live on . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five cheers for your company. now i want you to keep your questions coming in for flummox the five that's going to be coming up before the end of the show. though, time for show. now though, it's time for our of this evening. our next guest of this evening. some talking points some interesting talking points coming of the tory party coming out of the tory party conference, sarah and emily. >> yeah, i think you're right. there certainly are amongst all of noise around bans of the noise around smoking bans and kemi badenoch knox said and hs2 kemi badenoch knox said in her speech that britain is the best country in the world to be black. now this comes after home secretary suella braverman said only a couple of weeks ago that multiculturalism has failed. and once again appears to be some disagreement

the ot kemi badenoch. on top you like to lead the party? the ot kemi badenoch.'son top you like to lead the party? the ot kemi badenoch. she's talking is kemi badenoch. she's talking about echr . i mean, this is about the echr. i mean, this is again bit meat being again a bit of red meat being thrown to the right. she seems to be suggesting i'm to be suggesting and i'm intrigued this intrigued because this is appearing in all the appearing in all of the different interviews, oh, we can't off table . we can't take it off the table. we just extrapolate that for people listening watching, listening and watching, nigel, because all of these because clearly all of these cabinet have fed because clearly all of these c.lineet have fed because clearly all of these c.line about have fed because clearly all of these c.line about the have fed because clearly all of these c.line about the havethat fed because clearly all of these c.line about the havethat they a line about the echr that they are trying to leave the door open to us leaving it. >> yes, i think we're being sof

. >> but coming up, business secretary kemi badenoch says there's no place in the world better to beitain. was she right? we'll be joined another great guest. joined by another great guest. you're the saturday five you're with the saturday five live on . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five cheers for your company. now i want you to keep your questions coming in for flummox the five that's going to be coming up before the end of the show. though, time for show. now though, it's time for our of this evening. our next guest of this evening. some talking points some interesting talking points coming of the tory party coming out of the tory party conference, sarah and emily. >> yeah, i think you're right. there certainly are amongst all of noise around bans of the noise around smoking bans and kemi badenoch knox said and hs2 kemi badenoch knox said in her speech that britain is the best country in the world to be black. now this comes after home secretary suella braverman said only a couple of weeks ago that multiculturalism has failed. and once again appears to be some disagreeme

kemi badenoch. no.she's necessarily got the hugest respect when she dismissed all the eu regulations that were supposed to be getting burnt and she sort of, you know, i love kemi, not a brexiteer, she's not brexiteer enough, a bonfire. i was like, it wasn't about. yeah, the bonfire were expected was more like a piffle of smoke. and lost a little of smoke. and i lost a little bit of respect for kemi over that. but i love what she says. suella is probably more my cup of tea. >> i've got to say, i would i would bite your hand off kemi badenoch to be the leader of this country, but i'll this country, but maybe i'll have wait a few years. have to wait a few years. >> leader the opposition >> the leader of the opposition , after next election? , mark, after the next election? >> probably right. don't yourself . i right. don't yourself. i might >> don't kid yourself. i might said that. >> meanwhile, rishi sunak off to california . california. >> still got the green card. >> still got the green card. >> thank y

>> patel all her kemi badenoch future tory leader? ader? >> patel all contender is. :ienoch priti patel all contender is. and i think . and i think. >> which of the three would you vote for? oh, you've got to. you've got to vote. don't sit on the fence like this bloke. >> that's a good question. actually, it's between mean. look my top three are priti patel, not liz. priti patel. suella braverman and kemi badenoch. >> which one would be the top of the list ? the list? >> suella braverman interesting , isn't it? >> interesting. >> interesting. >> vote for the from the teenagers. >> yeah. and just two remarkable actually, because what what struck me being here this week , struck me being here this week, it's not easy to even become an mp, is it? it's not easy to even become an mp, is it ? the it's not easy to even become an mp, is it? the resilience required to be knocking on doors to be carrying clipboards, to be selected by your local association? thank you. that's what i'm looking for, to be selected to go through the hustings to get

kemi badenoch. you like her? yep. why? a more diverse face for the party.averman suggest the tories could be heading to the right. i mean, she's so passionate and so to the point that it was brilliant. she could definitely be a future leader. i was completely impressed. we are completely inspired. bookmakers suggest the top five most likely successors to rishi sunak are today's headliner suella braverman, leader of the house penny morduant, who played a starring role with a sword in the king's coronation, kemi badenoch, who has an extraordinary rise after first being elected just six years ago, foreign secretary james cleverly, a rare survivor through the may, johnson, truss and sunak administrations, gillian keegan, the education secretary, who says she has done a (bleep) good job. is it savage or sensible that even though rishi sunak could have another year in the job at least, some in his party already seem to be measuring his political pulse? the question over who's next is a very live conversation topic here. even their opinions differ on the alchemy o

what kemi badenoch is going to be speakingoffer to businesses|at kemi badenoch is going to be speakingofferonservative hands? >> well, business rates, i mean, business rates really are still hugely crippling for many retailers and they find it almost impossible to trade retailers anyway, tend to have a smaller margin than than most products and services . is products and services. is retailing trades on small margins. and when you get these business rates hitting them so hard as well as, of course, vat on so many products, corporation tax and they have their own corporation tax. i mean, it some glimmer of hope again from her would be helpful. and i think business rates are the key. i think if they could be at least held, maybe even they hint at reducing them again, i don't think they're going to do anything much this year, but that doesn't mean to say they're not going to do a lot next year, but they just have to signal that things are on the up and next year will be a time for good news. >> okay. i hope so. thank you. i hope so, too. business trade secretary kemi badenoch will be talking t

and thank you, kemi badenoch, for cutting weight brussels red tape and saving small businesses billionse. —— brussels' red tape. brexit was more than a vote to leave the eu, it was a vote to change, to become something more. it was a statement of our belief that britain could begin a new story, one which reached all parts of our country and everyone in it. we must keep making the case for taking back control. if we don't, our opponents will try and neuter this change, to align us with the european union so that we never see is the full opportunities of brexit. and we know where keir starmer�*s heart lies on this issue, and we know he cannot be trusted on it either. first, he said he would respect the referendum result. then he wanted a second referendum. then he wanted a second referendum. then he wanted a second referendum. then he wanted free movement. then he didn't. he said he wouldn't try to renegotiate our deal, then he said he would. and then just two weeks ago, he was caught on camera telling ago, he was caught on camera telling a meeting of international politicians that he now

and so you've got kemi badenoch , you've you've got kemi badenoch, you've got suella braverman, you'veiti patel, all putting out their stall and actually not the ghost of liz truss, the ghost of liz truss, rather like bank were turning up at the feast. >> yes. i mean and liz truss just cause causing trouble i mean no no no no apology , no nothing. >> just saying you know i was right. >> i was right. shouldn't right. >> i was right . shouldn't regret >> i was right. shouldn't regret if only she was good looking and the voice was equally good. but i think there's another point which is about women's looks. well i think we can. i'm prepared to have women talk about rugby players bottoms because excited. david because i'm quite excited. david let's let's talk about politics because. >> but what what what we've seriously got so you've got you've got andrew mitchell who's a secretary of state for international development, saying exactly what you're saying. let's all gather around, rishi. meanwhile while, you know, out there in the real world, 60 people have signed , 60 world, 60 people have

so you have people like suella braverman and kemi badenoch . um braverman and kemi badenoch. within the cabinet and then you have priti patel who thinks that by staying out of the cabinet, she's proved herself. now, i was going to say as the first thing is that the good news for the tories is it can't be as bad as last year when you had liz truss and everything going down. but now that liz is thinking now that liz truss is thinking that could be the next that she could be the next leader as well , i mean this is leader as well, i mean this is a complete disaster . complete disaster. >> esther it's going to be interesting , isn't it, when we interesting, isn't it, when we i know it's looking fonnard another week, but comparing and contrasting to labour, obviously they're a lot. they're going to be a lot. labouris they're going to be a lot. labour is going to be a lot more buoyant than the tories in many respects understand. but respects understand. so but they're not putting lot they're still not putting a lot on the they're still not on the table. they're still not giving a f

once defined by the business secretary kemi badenoch as an ideology that sees blackness as victimhood included all sorts of ideological driven points, as the disparities points, such as the disparities can exclusively be explained by racism, or that readers ought to promise to listen and to amplify the of of colour. the voices of people of colour. it also cited expert in black it also cited an expert in black studies who has previously accused late queen elizabeth accused the late queen elizabeth ii being a symbol of white ii of being a symbol of white supremacy and compared churchill to hitler. well joining me now is one of the organisers of black lives matters protest in 2020. imran aiden. well, thank you very much for joining me. 2020. imran aiden. well, thank you very much forjoining me. do you very much forjoining me. do you think the bbc should be promoting this in an educational setting or should be more balanced out? >> i it's a tricky line to >> i think it's a tricky line to kind of follow , but i think kind of follow, but i think they're doing a decent job in terms of impart

some of the names floating are suella braverman, the home secretary, kemi badenoch, the business and secretary. the implication of the question being asked is that sunak is going to lose. so the mood here is one of slight resignation. kriti: lizzy burden, our u.k. correspondent, joining us live from the conservative party conference in manchester. we will continue the conversation about u.k. politics throughout the morning. guests including the director general of the cbi, as well as the former policy director for david cameron on. in the meantime, let's look quickly at some big stories from around the world, starting in sweden. alecta, the swedish pension fund, embroiled in the sbb followed as it announced that its chairman will leave with immediate effect. the departure comes following $2 billion of losses from failed investments. those missteps have forced out the fund's chief executive officer and a of equities. several taiwanese technology companies are helping huawei build infrastructure for an under the radar network of chip plants across southern china. the firms were present

. >> go to where kemi >> i'll go to where kemi badenoch. is the best place in the world to live as a black person and she is correct. nowhere else in the world they a debate world are they having a debate around , you know, how we around, you know, how can we progress our black progress in our black communities ways ? communities in equitable ways? we are wringing our hands and whilst our hands, whilst we're wringing our hands, we pay attention. we should also pay attention. the we are doing the fact that we are doing reasonably well. course reasonably well. of course we could better , but we are could do better, but we are doing well. and if you compare us else, we are light us to anybody else, we are light years . we america years ahead. we look at america as where we're going. on race. i hope not. >> we are. they're completely different. >> exactly. but the point, don't get yourself and think get ahead of yourself and think that in post—racial that we live in a post—racial society because don't. society because we don't. >> that's we can

this woman, kemi badenoch , who this woman, kemi badenoch, who i'm finding out more about and the think's happening the way i think what's happening is, is sunday times is kind is, is the sunday times is kind of her to the new of positioning her to be the new replacement for rishi sunak because as she's coming out with all these great ideas and she's just the latest person who's and i think because she's a person of colour, she was born in nigeria , india. she actually nigeria, india. she actually grew up in america . and then she grew up in america. and then she moved back here. so it's quite possible she could represent three countries and someone who left america because their career needed it. >> you've got a lot in common with this. is that. >> yeah, i think i think with her it's going to work out better than it's worked out for me. >> yeah. nick, you all know about this. look, people about this. look, some people think rishi's benefiting think that rishi's benefiting from having people around him saying can't get from having people around him sayin with, can't get from having peop

if to what kemi badenoch is down to what kemi badenoch is talking here. she talking about here.he talks unwritten rule talking about here. and she talk the unwritten rule talking about here. and she talk the social unwritten rule talking about here. and she talk the social contracten rule talking about here. and she talk the social contract of rule talking about here. and she talk the social contract of our. and the social contract of our country. but this is the problem. when you treat countries as just economies and you just we can just have you just say, we can just have anyone country they anyone in this country they don't integrate into don't need to integrate into our values, this values, then of course this is going things values, then of course this is goin unwritten things values, then of course this is goin unwritten rules things values, then of course this is goin unwritten rules social s like unwritten rules and social contracts organically contracts evolve organically over hundreds of years. so of course we're going these course we're going to have these kind this i

now to be fair, badenoch is saying it fair, kemi badenoch is saying it won't do that.ted without a chilling effect. though the bill is still being drawn up, but we'll actually have a more leftist policy than scotland here. i mean, how embarrassing is postponed the is that? they've postponed the ban on conversion therapy amid warnings that could criminalise parents who question their child's wish to change gender. so has done the so scotland has done the sensible thing and have . and sensible thing and we have. and that's is. yeah that's how bad this is. yeah >> mean, what are the >> i mean, steve, what are the dangers here like sort of explain it for layman's term. >> it comes down to details. >> it all comes down to details. so that if have so the idea that if you have a conversation where, nick conversation where, as nick says, you question someone's says, if you question someone's gender identity, well, not even question if they if they say they're questioning their gender identity and you say, oh, are you sure? yeah. under one version of this that seems like you in

kenny kemi badenoch stephen barclay . susan hall maybe barclay.use he's up surprisingly, because he's up for election to be maybe replaced sadiq khan in the mayoral elections in london in may. gillian keegan was named, but no one from the right. this party has been all but no one from the right. this party the has been all but no one from the right. this party the battlingas been all but no one from the right. this party the battling on)een all but no one from the right. this party the battling on the all but no one from the right. this party the battling on the right about the battling on the right of yeah, that was of the party. yeah, that was a thing which sunak avoided. i've got to also name talk about the small boats briefly. he said that will whatever it takes that i will do whatever it takes to boats that for to stop small boats that for many in the hall meant echr reform that is on the table. it was brief to the weekend papers and that's didn't say echr withdrawn the speech, but that's what it's to mean. that is withdrawn the speech, but t

a trade minister, kemi badenoch , said minister, kemi badenoch, said she would not apologise for fighting. >> outrageous. >> outrageous. >> send her to the gulag now . >> send her to the gulag now. and what about that outrageous bigot? health secretary steve barclay , who has pledged to keep barclay, who has pledged to keep biological men out of single sex female wards on the grounds of women's safety? what a heathen. 50 lashes for this non—believer . 50 lashes for this non—believer. for now, the excellent guido fawkes political website have unearthed correspondence from the human resources director at lloyds bank who declares her pronouns . of course she does. in pronouns. of course she does. in an email sent to 30,000 members of staff. and here's what she said. dear role. like many of you, i was appalled to hear the rhetoric coming from the conservative party conference this week targeting the trans and non—binary. this week targeting the trans and non—binary . community and non—binary. community outrageous. the prime minister targeting delegates with information about human beings , in

well kemi badenoch told the tory party conference on tuesday that the is the best country in the uk is they want young people to believe a narrative of hopelessness, a narrative of hopelessness, a narrative that says there is no point in trying because british society is against you and you're better off asking for reparations . reparations. >> a narrative that tells children like mine that the odds are stacked against them. i tell my children that this is the best country in the world to be black because it is a country that sees people, not labels . that sees people, not labels. >> okay. so i'm joined now by the actor and anti—racism campaigner femi nylander. femi thank you very much for joining me. so we've got numerous different ethnic minorities in government and in the labour party as well. we've also got the fact that race hate crimes apparently are down 6% despite there being more ethnic minorities in the country than ever before . we're doing all ever before. we're doing all right, aren't we? >> i mean , as you said, it's >> i mean, as you said, it's down for the first time in

i've seen she's being named priti patel, suella braverman kemi kemi braverman an kemi badenoch kemi badenoch noc james cleverly. >> james cleverly. >> james cleverly. >> i'm just trying to think of possible leadership candidates. yeah. so yeah, well, i mean , he yeah. so yeah, well, i mean, he both, he gets on, that's a different matter. both, he gets on, that's a differeni matter. both, he gets on, that's a differeni think�*r. both, he gets on, that's a differeni think he's got his hat >> but i think he's got his hat in ring. there i mean he in the ring. there i mean he wasn't he involved in the shenanigans back, back when, when sunak yeah. >> we're going to go to >> okay. we're going to go to the all the purse the man that holds all the purse strings for the country, the chancellor, jeremy hunt, chancellor, jeremy hunt, chancellor, lovely to see you. >> thank you very much indeed. big day for you today at conference. >> good morning, eamonn . yes, >> good morning, eamonn. yes, it's a big day. every day is a big day here in manchester. but yes . good morning. nice to see you. >> so tell me

_ keegan the education secretary, kemi badenoch the secretary, all big names— badenoch the secretarynames although anyone i bumped into only wanted to speak about hsz. it's not as_ only wanted to speak about hsz. it's not as if— only wanted to speak about hsz. it's not as if the — only wanted to speak about hsz. it's not as if the government didn't have a sense _ not as if the government didn't have a sense this — not as if the government didn't have a sense this was coming. for a few weeks _ a sense this was coming. for a few weeks we — a sense this was coming. for a few weeks we have been talking on this programme almost nonstop about rumours _ programme almost nonstop about rumours that hsz's leg from birmingham to manchester might be changed _ birmingham to manchester might be changed. we have not had clarity from _ changed. we have not had clarity from the — changed. we have not had clarity from the government, but it is increasingly clear that that leg from _ increasingly clear that that leg from birmingham to manchester is not --oin from birmingham to manchester is not going t

. >> but kemi badenoch is, of course , the president of the course, the president of the board of traderetary. but i've now got a former president of the board of trade me, dr. liam fox, as trade with me, dr. liam fox, as well as with me. gb news well as still with me. gb news is political commentator is senior political commentator and nigel nelson. liam you had to try and deal with these issues and to what extent do you think regulation is holding us back and is the real problem for productivity and efficiency in the uk economy? >> regulation is one of the problems we have. we have others . i think problems we have. we have others . ithink we're problems we have. we have others . i think we're serious about . i think if we're serious about being a conservative government that takes long term decisions, then what we need to concentrate on are small businesses . despite on are small businesses. despite what you would come to surmise, watching the national broadcasters , the mainstream broadcasters, the mainstream broadcasters, the mainstream broadcasters , only 17% of people broadcaster

but you look, you know, james cleverly swell of braverman kemi badenoch , even rishi sunak himself, righthat era of if your aspiration , if era of if your aspiration, if you work hard, you're going to do well in this country. >> yeah, but, rishi. but hang on. rishi sunak went to winchester college and i hear on. rishi sunak went to winciester college and i hear on. rishi sunak went to winci went college and i hear on. rishi sunak went to winci went to .lege and i hear on. rishi sunak went to winci went to oxford. d i hear on. rishi sunak went to winci went to oxford. d i h ar you. i went to oxford. and i mean , you know, i hear you. i mean, you know, i hear you. i mean, you know, i hear you. i mean, you know , you didn't have mean, you know, you didn't have those privileges. >> but. >> no, but. >> no, but. >> is this party today >> no, but. >> aspiration? s party today >> no, but. >> aspiration? is3arty today >> no, but. >> aspiration? is itrty today >> no, but. >> aspiration? is it about ay about aspiration? is it about small business? is it about enterprise? because i can't see it. >> s

suella seeing politicians like suella braverman you're seeing braverman and you're seeing canny kemi badenochey're directly to they're talking very directly to they're talking very directly to the electorate. they're talking very about issues very clearly about the issues that face, identifying very clearly about the issues that priorities, identifying very clearly about the issues that priorities, knowing|g very clearly about the issues that priorities, knowing what their priorities, knowing what to do or coming with to do or coming up with a solution, knowing how to articulate it makes articulate that. so it makes sense to the british people . and sense to the british people. and that's why it's becoming ever more popular. >> you were in manchester >> and you were in manchester for that conservative party conference. are you hearing that actually people are on manoeuvres ? charlie dare i say manoeuvres? charlie dare i say that actually there's rumbles of what happen in that what might happen in that election next year and they're all thinking about getting the top of the conservative party.

so when you hear when you hear ministers like kemi badenoch talking about unintended consequences andering from gender distress about transitioning cannot be criminalised. >> what do you say to that? because surely it cannot be right that therapists and families having those difficult conversations are banned from doing so, doing so as a result of this legislation ? of this legislation? >> well, it's complete hogwash. i'll be nobody's banning those conversations. and kemi knows that this is purely a ruse by those who have a different agenda, who don't like trans people, who don't think that young people should be exposed to trans what they call ideology. all conversations, whether they're in the therapist chair, whether they're in the ministry of a religious leader or a parental home that challenges a young person, are good and right and proper. but it's when they're told that they can never be trans or they can never be gay because it doesn't fit with their culture. that predetermined purpose , which is predetermined purpose, which is what the lawyers around the world have come toget

kemi badenoch was also talking about it a lot, wasn't she ? and suella braverman she?l. a couple of big things about not allowing men into women's prisons is being much tougher as well. when it came to sex offenders and whether or not they were able to change gender or change their name. therefore go on and kind of disappear into the community and potentially pose more of a threat there. as you were just hearing, men hearing, there, no men on women's . and i think that women's wards. and i think that is, you know, powerful stuff for women everywhere, isn't it, if you are of that mindset and whether or not other parties can say the same, you know, will you as a woman let me know, gb views or gb views .com. would you as a woman be inclined to vote conservative? simply because they are a party that appears able to define what woman is able to define what a woman is or enact policies or come out and say things like that? does that move the dial, particularly for you joining me now to discuss this is the diverse city and inclusion facilitator katy jon went katy , thank you

so kemi badenoch was always been was talking. she's always been very this .n this. we'll play that i'll get to react that clip. i'll get you to react to was this conservative >> was this conservative government that stopped shameful snp and labour politicians in scotland pursuing a self—id policy that let convicted rapists pretend that they were actually women, so they could be housed in a women's prison with potential new victims and seamlessly just like that. >> we have the other big statement on gender from the tories at conference. no men in women's prisons. yeah i speak about this a lot and i mean a lot on social media because i've got two daughters and i don't want this future as one where there's men that are dressing up as women in their toilets, in their changing rooms , you know, their changing rooms, you know, everywhere where they shouldn't be just because they want to wear women's clothes. >> they're not women . there's >> they're not women. there's 51% of the uk population is women. this is a massive vote winner for the conservatives and they te

and no, i don't think kemi badenoch was actually . but doesn't. i'm not sure she was. right. and clear i wasn't right. and i still think it's a mistake to have at people's putting have a go at people's putting their you well, their kids like you are. well, that's. is that a compliment or not? i don't the not? i don't know. in the current world anyway . so that current world anyway. so that was one. was part one. >> wasn't either, by the way. sure. >> i think having people's backgrounds is mistake backgrounds is a mistake and a lot of people think to themselves that's actually a bit below belt. the second below the belt. but the second thing about this labour party's approach about approach and your point about seeking working seeking to attract the working class may currently class vote, people may currently be disenchanted with the state of play. it doesn't necessarily mean their vote goes to the labour they're not, which labour party. they're not, which is polling is. is what your polling is. >> is so interesting >> this is what's so interesting about poll, joe, that

but you look, you know, james cleverly swell of braverman kemi badenoch , even rishi sunak himself, righthat era of if your aspiration , if era of if your aspiration, if you work hard, you're going to do well in this country. >> yeah, but, rishi. but hang on. rishi sunak went to winchester college and i hear on. rishi sunak went to winciester college and i hear on. rishi sunak went to winci went college and i hear on. rishi sunak went to winci went to .lege and i hear on. rishi sunak went to winci went to oxford. d i hear on. rishi sunak went to winci went to oxford. d i h ar you. i went to oxford. and i mean , you know, i hear you. i mean, you know, i hear you. i mean, you know, i hear you. i mean, you know , you didn't have mean, you know, you didn't have those privileges. >> but. >> no, but. >> no, but. >> is this party today >> no, but. >> aspiration? s party today >> no, but. >> aspiration? is3arty today >> no, but. >> aspiration? is itrty today >> no, but. >> aspiration? is it about ay about aspiration? is it about small business? is it about enterprise? because i can't see it. >> s

will probably worry number ten is a lot of that good mood is around people like suella braverman, kemi badenochd be jockeying for position if the conservatives lose the election and are looking for a new leader. and i think the thing that will worry rishi sunak most is when it comes to his agenda and trying to grab the narrative and shake us all and say, here's what i want to do as prime minister, it's not really working just now. everything is being dominated by the confusion over hs2, the fact that the government won'tjust over hs2, the fact that the government won't just confirm over hs2, the fact that the government won'tjust confirm what everybody thinks is pretty certain, that it everybody thinks is pretty certain, thatitis everybody thinks is pretty certain, that it is not going to reach manchester after all. that it is not going to reach manchesterafterall. it that it is not going to reach manchester after all. it feels to me a bit like the prime minister has come into this conference and thought i'm going to give my party rocket boosters, give us a take off before a year leading up to

from the right of the party, another challenge — cabinet ministers kemi badenoch and suella braverman issues — everything from net zero to brexit through taxation — and so, going into a general election where he is well behind in the polls and, indeed, the party is well behind in the polls, those divisions are going to be front and centre. all of these different camps rishi sunak is striving to keep happy. he'll be hoping to do just that here... hi, i'm rishi. nice to meet you. ..starting with an announcement today that 55 towns will be given £20 million over ten years to invest in things like sprucing up high streets and tackling antisocial behaviour. the question is will it be enough in what could be his first and last conference as prime minister before the next election. ione wells, bbc news, manchester. we're joined now by our chief political correspondent henry zeffman. could be the prime minister's last party conference before the next general election is what kind of reception do you think you will get from members? it’s reception do you think you will get from members?— from

i would, however, say that , you know, however, say that, you know, kemi badenoch and james cleverlyy disagree with suella braverman and that they think that multiculturalism has succeeded. >> interesting thing. >> interesting thing. >> and paul , >> interesting thing. >> and paul, what do you have for your dinner ? what do you for your dinner? what do you what do you have a regular or do you have certain things? when i was young, we had certain things on certain days. yeah. like it was on on monday and it was was stew on on monday and it was cold meat. >> used to be cold beef on a monday . yes. leftover salad monday. yes. leftover salad cream. leftover from cream. yeah. yeah leftover from the salad cream. yeah. absolutely. >> so we've got a we've got a story here. we're like your story here. we're just like your your and derek will your opinion and derek will weigh on this well that a weigh in on this as well that a woman has sparked after woman has sparked outrage after pandenng woman has sparked outrage after pandering husband's pandering to her husband's dinner complaint. it does

and because if kemi badenoch called badenoch hadn't and called for this then baroness this inquiry, thenner would be tarred for life as some sort of bigot when the reality was all she was saying was competing of was there's competing set of rights here. and she laid out that it says very clearly the that it says very clearly in the hrc women have the right to hrc that women have the right to safe spaces. was all i do safe spaces. that was all i do remember. >> can't what it was, >> i can't remember what it was, but there was one particular phrase i remember phrase which i remember thinking seemed that seemed perfectly reasonable that people screaming people were screaming and clutching about and clutching their pearls about and this was some time ago now, though, wasn't it? it was. >> it was about six months ago. they started something they started this or something like that. >> seen all it to >> i haven't seen all of it to remind myself. i've also heard this, though. can be bad not remains favourite to remains i think favourite to take from russia's next leader. >> yes i think they mad