. >> kemi badenoch mish. >> kemi badenoch mish. >> mr speaker, he didn't answer the question becausedoesn't know the answer. there are 850,000 eligible pensioners not claiming pension credit if they sign up. if they sign up, that will cost the treasury £2.3 billion, wiping out the savings that the chancellor claimed she would make before the election, his chief secretary told the pubuc his chief secretary told the public they had no plans to cut winter fuel. >> but they did have plans, didn't they? age uk say cutting the winter fuel payment with very little notice will potentially jeopardise the health and finances of millions of older people. >> does he agree with age uk that this is the last thing both pensioners and the nhs need? >> mr speaker, we have been driving up with a campaign for pension credit. it is important that everybody who is entitled to it claims that pension credit and she should not claim as some great victory the record of their government, that people have not signed up. we're the ones with the campaign. >> they should be supporting it. >> they should be suppor