joining us is ken auletta that. to have you here today. >> nice to be here be. >> we talked about the death of television. and you yourself say the story has been over written. where do you think we stand. >> television, you think of the traditional media or legacy immediate yarks print newspapers, declining. magazines, declining. cable television, declining. hollywood studios, declining and shrinking. television actually is not declining. even though their audience is shrinking for particular channels. cbs has a smaller audience than ten years ago or five. same with nbc and the other. but what they have they didn't have some years ago. i wrote a book called "three blind mice" and said the television of broadcast television in the future was in trouble because reliant on a sing source of advertising. since then they get retrance mission consent from the cable. $4 billion worth. income from netflix and amazon and apple. suddenly all these platforms pouring money into television. so parts that appeared to be weak some

joining us to bring us what's next is ken auletta, the author and journalist and new yorker's media critic. >> nice to be here. >> we've talked about the death of television for decades at this point. and you yourself have said that story has been overwritten. where do you think we stand? >> i think television -- you think of traditional media or legacy media, print newspapers declining, magazines declining. cable television, declining. hollywood studios, declining and shrinking. television actually is not declining even though their audience is shrinking for channels, cbs has a smaller audience and same with nbc and all of the others. what they have they didn't have some years ago. i wrote a book in '91 called "three blind mice" broadcast television in the future was in trouble because it was relying on the single source of income advertising. what has happened since then? they get income from retransmission consent from the cable, $4 billion worth. they get income from netflix and amazon and apple, all of these platforms pouring money into television. parts of television that appeared to