in the book i actually go through the case of a guy named ken behring and who was a trophy hunter from northern california, a wealthy guy who owned a sports team and was traveling all over the world to shoot run species and he actually shot two endangered bighorn sheep in kazakhstan and he couldn't get the trophy's imported to the united states and this was not the current leadership of the smithsonian but prior leaders worked to give him import permits through scientific exemption. after he gave $20 million to the smithsonian and this was exposed and in the process of the exposure, what we learned is that he shot with a couple of his cohorts three bull elephants in mozambique with the same rationale as the go-the guy that these were problem elephants that he was doing humanitarian service. it turned out wildlife officials said these were not problem elephants. the killing of the elephants was illegal and they kicked him out of the country but i heard these excusemaking and rationalizations time and time again. it construct those arguments. in the back? >> i hear some instant gurgling